Extra Spell

[takasi]

The above is why it implies that it would be from other lists.

What are you basing this on? Where does it say in the feat description that the rules for drawing spells from your class list do not apply to this feat?

 

[takasi]

Again as mentioned, why would they put "For classes such as wizard that have more options for learning spells, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research." when wizards always have access to all the wizard/sorcerer spells.

This seems either the writer didnt think about english or the rules. Now with the current FAQ ruling making a clarification, I'll live with that but it is a bad wording then on the feat by it's author.

I think the wording from the author of Complete Arcane makes perfect sense.

"Lacks access to" may be misleading you here. There are spells on your class list that you may "lack access to". A wizard, for example, only automatically learns a specific number of spells. In order to learn additional spells he must find a scroll, spellbook or someone to teach him. If he does not have access to these things he would not be able to learn the spell.

"Unable to research" may also be misleading, but there are requirements for research: time and money. If you have neither than taking this feat would allow you to access a spell without paying for either.

I think you're reading more into the feat description than what's actually written because you want to add wraithstrike to your duskblade.

 

[ainbimagh]

My guess is, either he is arguing with his DM and trying to justify through semantics an unbalanced character.

Or they are both coming here freely for opinion on how the feat is designed.

For the prior, deal with it, you dont get wraithstrike.
For the latter, read the poll, notice 90%+ say no, you dont get wraithstrike.

 

[Rhun]

I actually agree with I2K on this one...nothing in the way the feat is written specifies that a character taking this feat must choose the spell from his own class list.

 

[dagger]

I have seen illegal builds on Wizards Optimization forum for Duskblades with Wraithstrike and they are pretty sick.

 

[wildstarsreach]

What are you basing this on? Where does it say in the feat description that the rules for drawing spells from your class list do not apply to this feat?

"For classes such as wizard that have more options for learning spells, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research." This is where I base it on since wizards/sorcerers have access to all wizard/sorcerer spells.

 

[takasi]

"For classes such as wizard that have more options for learning spells, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research." This is where I base it on since wizards/sorcerers have access to all wizard/sorcerer spells.

They don't always have access to all wizard/sorcerer spells. A wizard, for example, only automatically learns a specific number of spells. In order to learn additional spells he must find a scroll, spellbook or someone to teach him. If he does not have access to these things he would not be able to learn the spell.

I actually agree with I2K on this one...nothing in the way the feat is written specifies that a character taking this feat must choose the spell from his own class list.

Nothing in the feat says he can choose a spell that's not in his class list. His class description however does say he is limited.

 

[wildstarsreach]

I have seen illegal builds on Wizards Optimization forum for Duskblades with Wraithstrike and they are pretty sick.

Here's the problem if a duskblade had wraithstrike vs an Eldritch knight.

Both take the round to charge a touch spell. The round they strike, they swift cast wraithstrike. This the the casting of one spell per round. Then they full attack. Both have somparable attacks and spells. If you swift cast the wraithstrike, then you are not arcane channeling a spell.

 

[irdeggman]

"Lacks access to" may be misleading text here. There are spells on your class list that you may "lack access to". A wizard, for example, only automatically learns a specific number of spells. In order to learn additional spells he must find a scroll, spellbook or someone to teach him. If he does not have access to these things he would not be able to learn the spell.

"Unable to research" may also be misleading, but there are requirements for research: time and money. If you have neither than taking this feat would allow you to access a spell without paying for either.

There is another requirement for learning a spell, other than just time and money.

Spells Copied from Another’s Spellbook or a Scroll: A wizard can also add a spell to her book whenever she encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard’s spellbook. No matter what the spell’s source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings, above). Next, she must spend a day studying the spell. At the end of the day, she must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell’s level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from her specialty school. She cannot, however, learn any spells from her prohibited schools. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into her spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook, below). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.

If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. She cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until she gains another rank in Spellcraft. A spell that was being copied from a scroll does not vanish from the scroll.

In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to the spell’s level x50 gp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

For the duskblade they are right here:

"You cast arcane spells which are drawn from the duskblade spell list on page 98."

That's a rule. Where does it say, in this feat, that this rule does not apply to this feat?

The entire feat states that. The feat itself is not so restricted.

Which example? The only example I see is for a sorcerer.

The feat mentions wizard. You even quote it in your first post.

"Lacks access to" may be misleading text here. There are spells on your class list that you may "lack access to". A wizard, for example, only automatically learns a specific number of spells. In order to learn additional spells he must find a scroll, spellbook or someone to teach him. If he does not have access to these things he would not be able to learn the spell.

Just because he's limited to 2 free spells per level does not limit his access in any way. The wizard goes up a level, his 2 free spells can be ANY spell he chooses. There is no limitation on those 2 spells.

Here's the situation, we are 4th level and there are only 5 feats between this and 20th level. If I were to use a feat on this it would have to be important enough to forgo combat feats that may be critical to survival.

Although I'm arguing the rules in your favor, I would not personally allow wraithstrike at all, let alone as part of this feat for other classes. Just like I would be VERY careful about what level they come over as (e.g. irresistible dance).