D&D 5E How Defeat this Coffelock Villain?

[FrogReaver]

Invisibility and everyone hide and run away

i think you are out of range if cihbterspell and dispel magic

 

[FrogReaver]

Invisibility and everyone hide and run away

i think you are out of range if cihbterspell and dispel magic

Unstoppable villain meet unfindable PCs

 

[FrogReaver]

Invisibility and hiding would be your best means of approach as well if your party were at full strength. Warlock Sorcerors with feats won't have a very great wisdom.

 

[Ancalagon]

Physical interaction with the image reveals it to be an illusion, because things can pass through it. If a creature discerns the illusion for what it is, the illusion becomes faint to the creature.

The enemy does not need a save to see through an illusion that it hits. Also, that wall only covers a 5 foot area.

But he can't use eldritch blast to "interact" with the illusionary wall - it doesn't affect objects

I grant the point on this needing a high enough level illusion to cover a decent area. Cantrip wont' cut it.

 

[FrogReaver]

But he can't use eldritch blast to "interact" with the illusionary wall - it doesn't affect objects

I grant the point on this needing a high enough level illusion to cover a decent area. Cantrip wont' cut it.

I don't know any DM that wouldn't let try to attack or eldritch blast through a wall... rules be darned. Of course against a normal wall it wont do nothing. But against an illusionary wall....

 

[Ancalagon]

I don't know any DM that wouldn't let try to attack or eldritch blast through a wall... rules be darned. Of course against a normal wall it wont do nothing. But against an illusionary wall....

buuuut what is he targeting? He can't see beyond the illusionary wall... And even if you allowed firing in a random direction (ie at the wall), the beam would just stop at the wall... same way it would stop at a normal wall. It's not like a bullet being stopped by a brick wall, with a small "explosion". It doesn't scorch the wall or anything. It just... stops. An eldrich blast wouldn't even bend a sheet of paper.

 

[5ekyu]

buuuut what is he targeting? He can't see beyond the illusionary wall... And even if you allowed firing in a random direction (ie at the wall), the beam would just stop at the wall... same way it would stop at a normal wall. It's not like a bullet being stopped by a brick wall, with a small "explosion". It doesn't scorch the wall or anything. It just... stops. An eldrich blast wouldn't even bend a sheet of paper.

This is the key... Does the effect hitting a real wall do anything different than hitting an illusory one? Obbiously, no rules i see clarify, but given the eldritch specifically cannot affect onjects i myself would not rule any "interaction with objects" favorable to it. To do so is giving it an object effect, even if its not damage - "confirm onject."



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[Ancalagon]

This is the key... Does the effect hitting a real wall do anything different than hitting an illusory one? Obbiously, no rules i see clarify, but given the eldritch specifically cannot affect onjects i myself would not rule any "interaction with objects" favorable to it. To do so is giving it an object effect, even if its not damage - "confirm onject."



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I think that the only thing you could "give" is "confirm not creature". Think about the following scenario. There are 3 "statues" in front of a warlock, back to a wall. One is a statue, one is a golem, one is an illusion. Eldrich blast should allow for the identification of the golem BUT the illusion and the statue wouldn't be identifiable.

 

[pukunui]

Invisibility and hiding would be your best means of approach as well if your party were at full strength. Warlock Sorcerors with feats won't have a very great wisdom.

If they're a PC, maybe. But this is the DM's pet arch-villain built using a ridiculous rules exploit. For all we know, it's got a 20 in every stat.

 

[Ancalagon]

If they're a PC, maybe. But this is the DM's pet arch-villain built using a ridiculous rules exploit. For all we know, it's got a 20 in every stat.

Yup. Monsters don't have to be balanced....

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