D&D (2024) How should the Wizard subclasses be revised?

[Parmandur]

Very interesting! Do you have a link to where Crawford said that? I also believe that Evoker and Illusionist are a shoe-in, but I am so curious how they will handle the necromancer specialist with no 5th level spells to collect/scribe (yet).

If they can get a good Necromancer that makes necromancer-players happy (with only 4 subclass levels), that would give me a lot of hope for other subclasses that need to embody a schtick that makes them unique.
I agree that a bladesinging is interesting as an option, but it was reprinted in Tasha's, so I'm skeptical that they will reprint in the 2024 Core rules. It's already good and is a later design, so it doesn't showcase anything new or iconic as a core option. (IMHO).

In the last couple minutes if the below video:


The thing about Bladesinger is that it is a more popular choice than any if the PHB options, and makes the Wizard play differently. Based on Crawfords comments, they are interested in making the Subclasses offer distinct playstyles.

 

[Parmandur]

They said specifically during the summit that moving stuff from Xanathar's and Tasha's into a future edition of the PHB was "always" an option (which was news to me), so I suspect at least one subclass will be making that jump. Bladesinger, swashbuckler and some of the bard classes seem among the most likely to do so, IMO.

I feel pretty confident Rogue us going to ve Thief, Assassin, Arcane Trickster, and Swashbuckler, yup.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I feel pretty confident Rogue us going to ve Thuef, Assasin, Arcane Trickster, and Swashbuckler, yup.

Swashbuckler is a really fun subclass and something that, pre-5E, D&D had a really hard time pulling off, going through all sorts of crazy gyrations to try and do so.

 

[Parmandur]

Swashbuckler is a really fun subclass and something that, pre-5E, D&D had a really hard time pulling off, going through all sorts of crazy gyrations to try and do so.

Honestly, Subclass as a mechanic in 5E is probably one of the most underrated design successes of the whole Edition: way more scaleable for proliferating character options than prior Edition frameworks.

 

[WanderingMystic]

Personally I wouldn't mind if Arcane Trickster was cut to make room for something else either another pre-existing one or a new archetype.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Personally I wouldn't mind if Arcane Trickster was cut to make room for something else either another pre-existing one or a new archetype.

Oh, man, I know so many arcane trickster fans. I think it's one of the most successful subclasses in the PHB.

 

[WanderingMystic]

Oh, man, I know so many arcane trickster fans. I think it's one of the most successful subclasses in the PHB.

Wow really. And all the groups I've played with I have only seen one played once and that person didn't like how it played.

 

[Parmandur]

Personally I wouldn't mind if Arcane Trickster was cut to make room for something else either another pre-existing one or a new archetype.

Based on the D&D Beyond Subclass demographics we've seen, Arcane Trickster is probably in like Flynn.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Based on the D&D Beyond Subclass demographics we've seen, Arcane Trickster is probably in like Flynn.

 

[Parmandur]

Nah, that's the Swashbuckler.