D&D 4E I really hope both my 4e groups choose to convert to 5e…

Piratecat

Sesquipedalian
I really hope both my 4e groups choose to convert to 5e…

…because it turns out my subscription to online 4e tools auto-renews in a week. Dang it.

Maybe they'll decide quickly!
 

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TerraDave

5ever, or until 2024
I also have to take care of that.

Plus, 5E is like greased lightning on a skateboard compared to some past editions.

But I guess that is only relevant if you want a game that is faster and easier.
 


Ahrimon

Bourbon and Dice
I cancelled mine. I love 4e and the character builder but I'm not playing anything right now so it just made more sense to cancel it. I did go in and print out all of my characters to PDF first though. I don't want to loose them just because I can't use the builder anymore.
 

Incenjucar

Adventurer
Digital River's system is so bad that I can't renew my subscription because my credit card number changed. :p

But I own almost all of the books and can do a bit of Excel-fu so it's not -that- big a deal.

I do hope the 5E fans get a better digital situation than people got with 4E. WotC lost a LOT of faith with their post-Dark Sun moves with it.
 


Incenjucar

Adventurer
Care to elaborate for someone with little info on that subject?

Basically they made a bunch of promises about updating the original, superior, offline character builder with Dark Sun stuff, and then they said PSYCHE and put the Dark Sun rules in the new and worse online-only character builder instead. Keep in mind that Dark Sun was an incredibly well-received product, so it was a a major loss for anyone who wanted to stick to the old builder.

Granted the character builder stuff has an ugly history that WotC can't be blamed for, but they still screwed the customers over pretty horribly.
 

the Jester

Legend
Basically they made a bunch of promises about updating the original, superior, offline character builder with Dark Sun stuff, and then they said PSYCHE and put the Dark Sun rules in the new and worse online-only character builder instead. Keep in mind that Dark Sun was an incredibly well-received product, so it was a a major loss for anyone who wanted to stick to the old builder.

Don't forget that they never updated the monster math in the perpetually half-assed Monster Builder, either.

Okay, maybe they got around to it eventually- I honestly don't know- but that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. The main tool that I wanted was functionally useless, and I could do better with an Open Office text file and a few bits of formatting.

But as of about a year after the MM3 came out, I know that the MB still hadn't been updated, and was still buggy as hell. It was, basically, useless from day 1 to the end.
 



Thank Dog

Banned
Banned
Basically they made a bunch of promises about updating the original, superior, offline character builder with Dark Sun stuff, and then they said PSYCHE and put the Dark Sun rules in the new and worse online-only character builder instead.
I was under the impression that most people thought that the new character builder was a significant improvement.
 

Incenjucar

Adventurer
I was under the impression that most people thought that the new character builder was a significant improvement.

It had dramatically reduced functionality. The closest I've seen to praise of it is defending its vastly reduced functionality, which mostly came down to "Well you should have unlimited fast internet 24/7 these days no matter where you go" and "You don't need character slots, you can just make characters and save them to your computer and add things in again later!"

It wasn't 100% worse in every possible way, but it was a significant downgrade where it was different.

--

The promises may have been implications, but implications are all a PR team uses unless they're going to outright BS you. I can use weasel language to never be wrong too, but everyone hates me when I do. :p
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
I was under the impression that most people thought that the new character builder was a significant improvement.

I think some probably did and some didn't. For some of us... having it online so that we could access it from any computer was a godsend. For others, having it in "the cloud" meant it could go away some time if WotC went in that direction and thus it was horrible. Some parts of the functionality of the online builder were better-- first and foremost of course being that it had every product in it-- but many parts of the offline builder were better. Being able to select only certain products to show up, a bit better search capability, and other stuff.

Like in everything... it really came down to how any individual person used the system and the individual parts of the material. If you used something in the offline builder that didn't appear in the online builder, it was worse. And in the opposite, it was better.
 

Joe Liker

First Post
I was under the impression that most people thought that the new character builder was a significant improvement.
I hated it. I couldn't go into specifics at this point, but I do remember that the new version was the thing that convinced me to stop subscribing to dndinsider.
 

Thank Dog

Banned
Banned
I hated it. I couldn't go into specifics at this point, but I do remember that the new version was the thing that convinced me to stop subscribing to dndinsider.
For me it was the thing that convinced me to start subscribing. Then again, running Parallels on my Mac just to use the .NET version was a huge PITA, so even Silverlight, as crappy as it was, was a step up for me.
 

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