D&D 5E I thought WotC was removing biological morals?

[Oofta]

D&D races aren't aliens; they didn't evolve under vastly different circumstances.

No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes. Depending on campaign setting, of course.

 

[Faolyn]

That wasnt what you had quoted when you insinuated I am running racist games though is it? Nope. Do you need the screenshot?

Since I included the entire screenshot to my reply to you, I'm good. I guess you didn't bother to read the whole thing. Do you need the screenshot of the screenshot?

 

[Faolyn]

No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes. Depending on campaign setting, of course.

So why should we assume that all games are going to have races being made for Always Evil purposes?

 

[Scribe]

Since I included the entire screenshot to my reply to you, I'm good. I guess you didn't bother to read the whole thing. Do you need the screenshot of the screenshot?

lol, i'm honestly confused because your screenshot doesnt line up with what you are claiming it does. I said what you mentioned, but the insinuation came from a quote off a different piece, like I said.

So why should we assume that all games are going to have races being made for Always Evil purposes?

Who is saying you have to assume that at all?

 

[Scribe]

No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes. Depending on campaign setting, of course.

Nobody seems to touch this at all, as if its not relevant and its all just 'biological determinism = racist and bad'.

The creation story has specific beings, evil beings even, creating these various species. We dont live in a world where we can demonstrate that God(s) are real, and manifest actual power, impacting if they wish, daily life.

That DOES happen in some (note the SOME) settings, and it doesnt get addressed by anyone for some reason.

 

[Oofta]

So why should we assume that all games are going to have races being made for Always Evil purposes?

Has anyone said that?

 

[Faolyn]

Has anyone said that?

You literally just did. "No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes. Depending on campaign setting, of course." You didn't just say that, of course, but since you also said "If any particular creature has been created by a malevolent being and not naturally evolved I see no reason they can't be just as inherently evil" along with being generally for species-wide alignments, then I'm assuming that you believe that some always evil races were created specifically to be always evil.

 

[Scribe]

You literally just did. "No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes. Depending on campaign setting, of course." You didn't just say that, of course, but since you also said "If any particular creature has been created by a malevolent being and not naturally evolved I see no reason they can't be just as inherently evil" along with being generally for species-wide alignments, then I'm assuming that you believe that some always evil races were created specifically to be always evil.

This seems to imply 2 things.

1. You believe if the book says they are evil, you have zero options in changing that.
2. "No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes." means to you "all games are going to have races being made for Always Evil purposes".

Neither of those things have to be true, but you can certainly choose to believe they are.

 

[Faolyn]

Nobody seems to touch this at all, as if its not relevant and its all just 'biological determinism = racist and bad'.

The creation story has specific beings, evil beings even, creating these various species. We dont live in a world where we can demonstrate that God(s) are real, and manifest actual power, impacting if they wish, daily life.

That DOES happen in some (note the SOME) settings, and it doesnt get addressed by anyone for some reason.

Many of us have touched this exact sentiment.

First off, "they're evil because their gods made them that way" ties in to real-world bigotry surrounding religions. Especially considering some religions outright state that certain people are evil or lesser because god made them that way.

Secondly, that argument assumes that everyone is using the same gods. If someone doesn't use Gruumsh or Lolth then the idea that orcs or drow are evil because of those gods is useless.

Thirdly, probably most people don't have the gods showing up willy-nilly.

 

[Faolyn]

This seems to imply 2 things.

1. You believe if the book says they are evil, you have zero options in changing that.
2. "No, they were created by sentient beings for specific purposes." means to you "all games are going to have races being made for Always Evil purposes".

Neither of those things have to be true, but you can certainly choose to believe they are.

You would infer very incorrectly, especially since I've said many times, including in this thread, that I don't use alignments. Which means that I have already made changes. Just like you can take a creature with no alignment and give it one, if you like.

Two, if sentient beings make other sentient beings for specific purposes, then that means (in addition to meaning those creatures are effectively pre-programmed) that some evil beings will be creating other beings for evil purposes. Which you would know is what I meant if you actually read what I wrote.