Zardnaar
Legend
“5e rogues are subpar” is definitely a take I haven’t heard before.
On tier lists they're near the bottom.
Skill monkey they are argueably worse than clerics and bards.
Clerics also beat them at damage.
“5e rogues are subpar” is definitely a take I haven’t heard before.
Gwydion's an NPC competent warrior noble good guy and brief mentor for the protagonist in the first book. The protagonist for the five book series is Taran, who starts off as an assistant pig keeper.While that is fair, "literally one time doing something magical" is a bit hard to square with even the early-edition "a few spells every day at high character level level" stuff. Doubly so since it occurs in the first book, which one would think should be early in the Prince's career, rather than late.
When Taran first meets him, Gwydion starts weaving a mat of grass. Later, when they encounter a pair of Cauldron Born, he throws the mat at them and it turns into a sticky web. (Eilonwy tries to enchant an arrow to do the same later on, but miscasts the spell.)I wouldn't say all.
In The Book of the Three by Lloyd Alexander (the first in his Newbury Award winning fantasy series) Prince Gwydion is an outdoor competent warrior in the woods. He has a clash with the Horned King and does a thing that creates a blast of magic that seems a lot like a wizard's burning hands that drives off the Horned King. It is the only magic I remember him doing, but when I came on the 1e PH and saw that high level rangers got low level magic-user spells it immediately came to mind, and still sticks out to me 40 years later.
Hyperbolic, perhaps. It’s not like I’ve never heard people who don’t think the 5e rogue is very good, but I feel like I see the opposite far more often.I suspect Charlaquin was being sarcastic.
I mean... sure.
Or perhaps I should say, "suuuuuure".
Rogues as overpowered?Hyperbolic, perhaps. It’s not like I’ve never heard people who don’t think the 5e rogue is very good, but I feel like I see the opposite far more often.
i don't think they're saying rogues are underpowered as such, but im reminded of a video that pointed out despite their large expertise boosts rogues are still constricted to using the dice fallible skill system unlike the fiat granting use of magic user's spells.Rogues as overpowered?
I've literally only ever heard that take from people who cannot/will not do math.
And it's always like "Omg rouges r broken becuz they do 5d6 sneak attack and the game designer sez they do it every round! OVERPOWERED!!!", and it's like, as soon as you show them the actual math involved, they either either go "ur lying with math" (when obviously that isn't possible) or just go silent/leave the thread.
Rogues are towards the bottom end of things as classes go in 5E. Luckily, there's not far to fall thanks to several smart design elements. If Rogues got a few "fiat" abilities like spellcasters do, or got some key abilities earlier one (whereas 1D&D seems to making them all be later, and only spells earlier), that could be turned around.
He's a character in literature written by someone who doesn't play the game or care about the rules, and none of the books reflect D&D's rules anyways with regard to spells, particularly healing magic and the ability to easily raise the dead.No, they’re still rangers. The ranger class’ mechanics have just fallen out of step with the archetype the class is supposed to represent.