D&D 5E Idea a Redemption Mod for Infernal Warmachines in BG: DiA

[Bolares]

No, you are reading too much into the description: "The soul trapped in the coin becomes trapped in the furnace instead."

No, I'm reading the full description, I quoted it verbatum from the description of war machines.

If it works on the coin, why does it not work on the furnace, it's just trapped in another place with a time limit instead of a charge limit.

Because no rule says it does... Should I assume that if one magic item works one way every remotelly similar item works the same? The text of the machine and the coin already show discrepancies on how both interact with souls in what happens if all charges are used. In the coin the soul is freed, in the furnace it's destroyed. That to me shows they don't work the same...

You seem determined to make it a blocking point to prove that it is a bad design, when first off it can be read in another way and second the fix, if need be, is extremely simple and does not require changing fundamentals about the way Hell should work.

I'm not making a point about design, neither am I trying to fix it. I'm posting rules text and responding to a house rule idea proposed by the OP...

You were saying "nothing says that you have to destroy them for all time even if you are using them." I just showed, yes something says you have to destroy them. If you want there to be a chance of removing curse, great, do your thing. I'm just pointing out that by RAW, in the most direct interpretation of the rules, the souls are indeed destroyed.

 

[Lyxen]

Because no rule says it does... Should I assume that if one magic item works one way every remotelly similar item works the same?

Well, yes, especially since it's much more than remotely similar, and that the sentence that I have given you shows that it's just a transfer to something else that traps the soul.

 

[Parmandur]

I can get behind a Purgatorymobile.

 

[Bolares]

I can get behind a Purgatorymobile.

It's better than being in front of it.

 

[Bolares]

Well, yes, especially since it's much more than remotely similar, and that the sentence that I have given you shows that it's just a transfer to something else that traps the soul.

You are giving me half sentences. I've shown that coins trat souls different than furnaces. And again, your point was that nothing said the soul was destroyed. I just showed that yes, by RAW the soul is destroyed. Using remove curse in the furnace to free the soul is not RAW. You can use it as a house rule sure, it can make sense as a house rule. But you can't use that as an argument that in general, the players has a choice to not consume a soul in the furnace.

 

[Lyxen]

You are giving me half sentences. I've shown that coins trat souls different than furnaces. And again, your point was that nothing said the soul was destroyed.

No, what I said was nothing said that the soul was instantly destroyed the instant you used it to power the machine, very different. In any case, as an alternative, you could also destroy the furnace itself before the soul is destroyed.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

No, what I said was nothing said that the soul was instantly destroyed the instant you used it to power the machine, very different. In any case, as an alternative, you could also destroy the furnace itself before the soul is destroyed.

Or, we could just not use this aspect of the adventure as written, because we don't like it.

 

[Weiley31]

I'm probably weird in regards to having a solution to such a thing while still allowing the players the use of the Infernal War Machines. Basically one would "Devil May Cry" it by allowing the party to use the souls/sparks of Demons instead as an alternative fuel source.

In the Devil May Cry series, you killed demons, collected the red orbs they dropped(demon blood in crystal form basically), and then cashed them in at the Altar of Time to gain upgrades, skills, and so forth. Or like how game series Bayonetta uses Halos for her upgrades and all that good stuff by slaying Angels.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I'm probably weird in regards to having a solution to such a thing while still allowing the players the use of the Infernal War Machines. Basically one would "Devil May Cry" it by allowing the party to use the souls/sparks of Demons instead as an alternative fuel source.

In the Devil May Cry series, you killed demons, collected the red orbs they dropped(demon blood in crystal form basically), and then cashed them in at the Altar of Time to gain upgrades, skills, and so forth. Or like how game series Bayonetta uses Halos for her upgrades and all that good stuff by slaying Angels.

Yeah and this makes sense, too, since demons are the enemy, and are an infinite horde.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Yeah and this makes sense, too, since demons are the enemy, and are an infinite horde.

Agreed. I think fueling the warmachines with Demonic Ichor would be awesome. Even more so if the fumes from the combustion can poison you and turning you into manes or abyssal wretches after a time.

So you have the possibility of using soul coins or using a unpurified fuel that jam your motor with grime and create dirty smog.