Immortals Handbook - Godsend

[Angel Tarragon]

Wait a tic. Did I miss something? Is Godsend going to be for 4E and not 3E?

 

[dante58701]

Godsend is 3.5. The last 3.5 book Krusty will be doing. Although I'm inclined to disagree about this being an optimum decision as all the people I know who bought 4.0 are already pawning off their books on ebay due to immense disappointment and WOTC is apparently already working on 4.5 (snickers at the absurdity).

In any case I'm, at the least, very happy that Krusty is finishing up Godsend as a goodbye to 3.5, rather than scrapping his 3.5 fan base altogether. I have to admit there is a lot of disappointment regarding the switch to 4.0 in our town, but at least Krusty was nice enough to give us this magnificent final farewell.

I'm hoping, like others, that he includes the 3.5 material from his website and personal notes as bonus material, much in the fashion of Monte Cook. =^.^=

 

[Belzamus]

but at least Krusty was nice enough to give us this magnificent final farewell.

Hey! Do not recall your falcons before the hunt is done! We don't KNOW that it'll be magnificent yet... of course, since this is U_K we're dealing with, maybe that's an exception. There does tend to be just a small bit of divinity in his ideas.

Oh, and a question for U_K.

Are there going to be any weapon/armor enchantments in Godsend? As it stands, when I make a high-level Immortal, it doesn't matter if they convert their items to divine abilities or not since the items usually just end up granting them divine abilities anyways!

And how about rules for spells over 9th level? Any kind of new magic to be included?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Belzamus mate!

Got your email by the way (sorted out my email problems...also found your email Paradox42).

While I'm immensely grateful for Godsend, and for you giving the consideration to your 3ed fans to even do that much, I think I'll still be purchasing your products, U_K.

Thans for that.

If converting back to 3.5 is as easy as you say it is then I'll happily do so to use them in my 3.5 games. Or, who knows, maybe you'll be able to make me actually like 4.0. I mean, I would imagine that the 4.0 stats would at least give the coneptual ideas of the monsters' abilities, which could be transferred into 3.5 easily enough. Combined with the flavor, it shouldn't be too hard to extrapolate the rest, especially considering your CR conversion table. (If only to get a ballpark of the monster's level)

I already have a (3E) CR to (4E) Level conversion system on my website, so once you have that you have the basis for the character/monster.

The only differences are going to be those conceptual changes I may instigate. A lot of my 4E 'conversions' may not be conversions but more a case of reimaginings. Angels would be the obvious one that springs to mind (been doing some 4E brainstorming for Gods & Monsters).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy UK.

Hey there Particleman!

This will be my first post on these forums as I've been a long time fan and, indeed, customer.

Thank you very much for your support and nice to meet you 'so to speak'

I have some questions for you and I hope this is the appropriate place for them as the ASCENSION thread seems to have disappeared.

Try widening your "Show threads of the past month...etc" field.

But ask away - no harm done.

1) I think I basically understand the construction of the divinity templates, however, I was wondering, how do you intend that ECL is handled when an immortal PC advances from one divine rank to the next? Does the immortal basically lose levels/HD when they advance to a new divine rank?

No, the listed Hit Dice minimums are simply suggestive, not a hard and fast rule. However, they are required to get the full effect of the template.

For instance, a 20 HD Lesser God (where the suggested minimum HD is 40) will not gain the full net worth of the template (ECL +40). Usually I suggest that you halvethe difference.

e.g. An NPC with 20 HD/Levels and the Lesser God Template (normally 20 + 40 = 60) will only be ECL 50 instead of 60, because the difference between the HD and the template (where the template is greater) is halved (in this case 20 is reduced to 10). Challenge Rating is 2/3rds ECL so in this case the NPC is CR 33 (not CR 40).

However, for PCs you still make sure they use the full ECL for determining how much EXP they need. So the same PC would still be ECL 60 (effectively 60th-level and need 61st-level EXP to ascend)

2) Artifacts. It seems that the artifacts would grow in power as the PC advances, this much I get. But how are they initially created? Does it cost the PC quintessence to do so?

Yes. You use Quintessence in this manner as you would EXP when creating magic items.

Initially I was planning to have 1 QP = 10 EXP, but I seem to recall we had some discussion on these forums about that and 1 QP = 25 EXP was decided as superior.

That's all for now. I look forward to GODSEND eagerly;

Thanks.

however, I too must list myself among those who will be sad to see you go down the 4e path.

I'm still bewildered by those who can look at 4E and still think 3E is in any way superior. However, that said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I harbour no hard feelings or ill will to such people.

Cheers.

All the best.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there dante mate!

Godsend is 3.5. The last 3.5 book Krusty will be doing.

Indeed.

Although I'm inclined to disagree about this being an optimum decision as all the people I know who bought 4.0 are already pawning off their books on ebay due to immense disappointment

I'm not.

and WOTC is apparently already working on 4.5 (snickers at the absurdity).

Unlikely.

In any case I'm, at the least, very happy that Krusty is finishing up Godsend as a goodbye to 3.5, rather than scrapping his 3.5 fan base altogether. I have to admit there is a lot of disappointment regarding the switch to 4.0 in our town, but at least Krusty was nice enough to give us this magnificent final farewell.

Well I don't know about magnificent, I'll do my best though.

I'm hoping, like others, that he includes the 3.5 material from his website and personal notes as bonus material, much in the fashion of Monte Cook. =^.^=

Certainly the website stuff that I can use will be in there. Can't have Godzilla stats and so forth obviously. Not sure about 'personal notes'...its all personal to me.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

Oh, and a question for U_K.

Are there going to be any weapon/armor enchantments in Godsend? As it stands, when I make a high-level Immortal, it doesn't matter if they convert their items to divine abilities or not since the items usually just end up granting them divine abilities anyways!

And how about rules for spells over 9th level? Any kind of new magic to be included?

Yes there will be new magic items/artifacts for Godsend and the Dimensional Magic system (and some sample spells). It won't be anywhere as extensive as I was planning for Grimoire, but it should give people a start on it.

 

[Alzrius]

Out of curiosity, U_K, have you thought about simply using 4E mechanics without the GSL? Several companies seem to be planning on doing so, if they aren't already: Adamant Entertainment, Goodman Games (maybe), and even Kenzer Co. (though that's not certain, but it seems to be the case).

The only downside seems to be that you can't use the logo/phrase "Dungeons & Dragons" on the cover, but on the plus side, you can avoid all of the GSL's many drawbacks.

If it seems premature to board that bandwagon, then there's still plenty of time to wait and see what happens (e.g. if WotC sues anyone for doing that) between now and when you put out your first 4E book. If there's no legal penalty, then would you consider doing that?

 

[paradox42]

(sorted out my email problems...also found your email Paradox42).

Eeexcellent!

If converting back to 3.5 is as easy as you say it is

It isn't. A quick comparison between the 3.5 Phane and Atropal (to say nothing of the Tarrasque), and the 4E version of each, is more than enough to prove that. In some ways the 4E versions are improvements, in others not, but whatever your opinion of the new stats the monsters are clearly very different beasts in the different editions. Straightforward conversion will not be possible with the majority of powerful monsters, from what I've seen- every case will need to be done individually and re-imagined.

I already have a (3E) CR to (4E) Level conversion system on my website, so once you have that you have the basis for the character/monster.

The only differences are going to be those conceptual changes I may instigate. A lot of my 4E 'conversions' may not be conversions but more a case of reimaginings. Angels would be the obvious one that springs to mind (been doing some 4E brainstorming for Gods & Monsters).

The level conversion chart will likely be a good base for "downgrading" between editions, but as UK admits himself, it's not often going to be a true conversion in the sense that a clear procedure of calculating changes to numbers will work.

And for the record, I do now have the three 4E books myself, and have read through the entire PHB and up to chapter 5 of the DMG. I've also checked out the monster rules in the MM, and paged through the stats of some of the monsters I found most interesting (hence the above declarations). I do not plan to change my game to 4th Edition, and will not be purchasing any more 4th Edition books for quite some time (if ever); the game has some good ideas, but for me not enough to outweigh the bad ones. I'll probably take some of the good ideas and adapt them as best I can to my older edition game, such as skill challenges. The rest, I will discard and ignore. I did like the suggestion somebody posted on another thread, though, about taking 4E Immortals products and doing 3.5 or Pathfinder versions of them; I'd even throw my hat in the ring to do work on such conversions in fact.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Alzrius mate!

Out of curiosity, U_K, have you thought about simply using 4E mechanics without the GSL? Several companies seem to be planning on doing so, if they aren't already: Adamant Entertainment, Goodman Games (maybe), and even Kenzer Co. (though that's not certain, but it seems to be the case).

The only downside seems to be that you can't use the logo/phrase "Dungeons & Dragons" on the cover, but on the plus side, you can avoid all of the GSL's many drawbacks.

If it seems premature to board that bandwagon, then there's still plenty of time to wait and see what happens (e.g. if WotC sues anyone for doing that) between now and when you put out your first 4E book. If there's no legal penalty, then would you consider doing that?

I'll be paying close attention to what transpires over the next month or two - I haven't signed up to 4E yet. So maybe this is the answer although surely it can't be that easy...can it?