D&D (2024) Lawful, Chaotic, and Neutral touched species.

[Aldarc]

They weren’t planes, and they weren’t in a grid.
Also, they were the Dominion of a God and their exarchs and other servants, not a dominion of an alignment. Pelor’s Dominion existed because He willed it so, not because the cosmos demanded a Lawful Good Dominion exist there.

Exactly.

Didn't Pelor's dominion get destroyed in the Dawn War or some other outer planes shenanigans? I believe that he's living in Hestavar with Erathis and Ioun.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Didn't Pelor's dominion get destroyed in the Dawn War or some other outer planes shenanigans? I believe that he's living in Hestavar with Erathis and Ioun.

Maybe, I haven’t read that lore in about 6 years, bc my worlds either don’t use those gods or don’t use a similar cosmology. (In one the gods are simply part of the world, they have no external domains)

 

[Scribe]

And therein is my problem. What would it mean to have powers of the upper planes to draw on if you weren't good? And how would those powers be good if the one drawing on them wasn't?

My answer to this is that, its a source of power, but outside of the personification of it (God, Over-God) it is a power.

Aasimar may be tied to a being/realm of that power, but unlike Clerics, or Paladins, or Warlocks, they are not being given that power. It is innate. It is part of who they are as much as my hands are part of who I am, or the colour of my eyes.

That does not mean its a straightjacket, it hasnt been for decades. It just means that central to who that character is, down to their 'DNA' they have a connection to that power/essence.

 

[Aldarc]

Maybe, I haven’t read that lore in about 6 years, bc my worlds either don’t use those gods or don’t use a similar cosmology. (In one the gods are simply part of the world, they have no external domains)

Either way, your point stands. The World Axis cosmos is not about grid filling. The Astral Sea exists as the cosmological space of "concept," "idea," and "divinity." It's where the various realms of the gods can be found. They are not bound by their alignment and nor are their dominions, but by the fact that they are divine beings of the Astral Sea.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

IMO, just because someone has connection to the energies of a certain plane it wouldn't mean that inherently determines anything about their character, i'd view it comparable to saying like, 'you have an inherent connection to the energies of transmutation' or illusion, or necromancy, the energy holds a certain shape and it's effects reflect that shape, the entities who inhabit the planes are formed and molded by their respective energies but their decendants are not shaped by it in the same way even if they retain a connection to those forces.

im not sure if positive and negative energy is the same as good and evil energy is the same as radiant and necrotic but i feel like good energy channeled should cause effects in line with the principles of good: healing, protection and restoration, regardless of who and of what alignment the people who channel it is.

i get that devils and demons are typically based on fire but i kinda wish tiefling's default damage was necrotic to more directly tie their ancestry to the lower planes.

Yeah I've never understood why the lower planes aren't based on necrotic energies. Instead shadowfell seems to be the necrotic energy plane.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Either way, your point stands. The World Axis cosmos is not about grid filling. The Astral Sea exists as the cosmological space of "concept," "idea," and "divinity." It's where the various realms of the gods can be found. They are not bound by their alignment and nor are their dominions, but by the fact that they are divine beings of the Astral Sea.

Exactly!

And thank you!

But yeah there is no forced symmetry to be found in 4e lore. It’s weird and narrative and Bane has angels just like Bahamut, because angels serve the Divine.

And like Asmodeus is…kinda a god, but not like other gods, and The Raven Queen is IIRC the only former mortal, and it’s all just twisty turney and glorious. I really wish there was a good wiki for the core lore of 4e…or a sourcebook.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Yeah I've never understood why the lower planes aren't based on necrotic energies. Instead shadowfell seems to be the necrotic energy plane.

tieflings could've have their natural damage resistance be to necrotic instead of fire and used the bloodline of Baalzebub instead of Asmodeus (Ray of Sickness and crown of Madness as spells instead of Hellish Rebuke and Darkness, both get Thaumaturgy cantrip) and i think you would've had what felt like a much more 'Evil' decended species, but they went with the generic fire hell themes.

as actually necrotic damage alternatives to ray of sickness i think inflict wounds 3d10 would've been too chunky a spell for their 1st level daily, i don't know about arms of hadar 10ft radius AoE 2d6

 

[Corinnguard]

In PF2, beings from the good-aligned planes were called Celestials, those from the evil-aligned planes were Fiends and those from the Neutral-aligned planes were called Monitors. As for their planetouched descendants, those planetouched who are the descendants of the Monitors were called Urobians. I have yet to see these guys. Does anyone know if PF2 came out with the Urobians or not? curious

 

[Tonguez]

Yeah I've never understood why the lower planes aren't based on necrotic energies. Instead shadowfell seems to be the necrotic energy plane.

because Necrotic has to do with Death rather than Evil, Beholders and Shadow Dragons do necrotic damage neither of which are Fiendish and neither are Undead.

That said balancing Radiant celestial energy against Necrotic negative energy does have a pleasing aesthetic and of course coming up with some other way to explain Negative Energy other than rot and enfeeblement isnt easy

In PF2, beings from the good-aligned planes were called Celestials, those from the evil-aligned planes were Fiends and those from the Neutral-aligned planes were called Monitors. As for their planetouched descendants, those planetouched who are the descendants of the Monitors were called Urobians. I have yet to see these guys. Does anyone know if PF2 came out with the Urobians or not? curious

Theres no single Urobian race in the books but iirc Duskwalkers fit the description, and so do Dragons

 

[Minigiant]

because Necrotic has to do with Death rather than Evil, Beholders and Shadow Dragons do necrotic damage neither of which are Fiendish and neither are Undead

Good supports life and light. But Evil is not death. Death is Death.