Level 6 smackdown

[green slime]

Got it. 3/day, reduce the cost of a metamagic by one.

So, it's pretty much worthless IMHO. Better to get another Energy Sub feat (and chain them for -1 level each time).

6th level feats (for an Elf racial sub generalist with 2 flaws):
1/ Quicken Spell, [Scribe Scroll] -- 2 Flaws: Empower Spell, Energy Sub (Electricity)
3/ Energy Sub (Cold)
5/ Energy Sub (Sonic)
6/ Arcane Thesis (Fireball)

Round 1: Quickened (+3) Cold (-1) Electric (-1) Sonic (-1) Fireball / 3rd level slot; Empowered (+1) Cold (-1) Electric (-1) Sonic (-1) Fireball / 1st level slot
Round 2: Repeat.
Round 3: Repeat.

Of course, at 7th level you get a few 4th level spell slots, which you promptly fill with Quickened Empowered triple-Substituted fireballs...

(And this is why we do not allow negative metamagic spell level adjustment...)

Cheers, -- N

But what form is the final energy damage in? As you are only substituting the energy, not admixing it?

 

[Doug McCrae]

And this is why we do not allow negative metamagic spell level adjustment...

I don't either. Note that in my example, Empower and Enervate (both normally a +2 level increase) are reduced to a +0 level increase, by substracting 1 level each for Arcane Thesis and Metamagic School Focus. They could not be reduced below +0.

 

[Nifft]

But what form is the final energy damage in? As you are only substituting the energy, not admixing it?

Never took the Admixture feat; that feat isn't worth it until it's not competing with Quicken for my top-level spell slots. Final energy type is Sonic (or choose Acid if Sonic is not a valid Energy Substitution in your game).

I don't either. Note that in my example, Empower and Enervate (both normally a +2 level increase) are reduced to a +0 level increase, by substracting 1 level each for Arcane Thesis and Metamagic School Focus. They could not be reduced below +0.

Right, but if you do that, you're using MMSF twice (once for Empower and once for Enervate). You can use MMSF a total of three times each day. So your combo works once, not three times in a row.

Cheers, -- N

 

[wolff96]

I thought all of the "reduces level added by metamagic" feats had a stipulation that they cannot reduce the level adjustment to less than 1? IDHMBIFM, but I believe that was the case -- specifically to avoid the problems with every spell being Empowered like this.