Living Supers - General Discussion Thread

[hero4hire]

Quick question. Can you use Improved Critical as a power feat?

I think I may have allowed someone to do so, and there are examples of this sort of use of the Improved Critical in some of the sample characters as well I believe.

The official stance from Steve Kenson on this is any Feat can be used as an Enhanced Trait if the GM allows.

But anything abusive like putting Feats into Arrays (Alternate Powers) should be nixed.

So if it isn't abusive then an "Enhanced" Feat may be allowed. In such cases I would say the Feat should be put up to a vote by the Judges for approval.

 

[Rystil Arden]

The official stance from Steve Kenson on this is any Feat can be used as an Enhanced Trait if the GM allows.

But anything abusive like putting Feats into Arrays (Alternate Powers) should be nixed.

So if it isn't abusive then an "Enhanced" Feat may be allowed. In such cases I would say the Feat should be put up to a vote by the Judges for approval.

I would say that in fact the only time you would ever need to buy a normal feat as a power feat is to put it in an alt slot and essentially get it for free. Otherwise, you're paying the 1 point for the feat anyway, so it doesn't matter where you place it on the chart as long as the price is the same.

 

[hero4hire]

K, next question.

If all of the attacks in question are part of a device, would buying Improved Crit on the device effect all attack? I'm guessing no, but I figure I should ask.

In some official builds (like Bowman of the Freedom League) tight Power Arrays have been considered "One Power" for the use of Feats like Attacks Specialization and Improved Critical.

But generally such Feats should be limited to One Attack/Power. For Improved Crit specifically my gut tells me "No" due to its relative ease of abuse and ability to bust PL caps of damage.

 

[hero4hire]

I would say that in fact the only time you would ever need to buy a normal feat as a power feat is to put it in an alt slot and essentially get it for free. Otherwise, you're paying the 1 point for the feat anyway, so it doesn't matter where you place it on the chart as long as the price is the same.

I have built NPCs that have Feats as Power Feats due to concept. I have also allowed PCs to aquire normal feats through "power stunting" since it made sense. For example I would let a Character with a Force Field aquire Ultimate Toughness as a Power Feat.

If I were to build Highbrow today many of his Feats would be represented a Enhanced Traits since they should be able to be nullified or drained.

A keen eye should always be kept on what is concept and what is just abusive.

 

[Rystil Arden]

I have built NPCs that have Feats as Power Feats due to concept. I have also allowed PCs to aquire normal feats through "power stunting" since it made sense. For example I would let a Character with a Force Field aquire Ultimate Toughness as a Power Feat.

If I were to build Highbrow today many of his Feats would be represented a Enhanced Traits since they should be able to be nullified or drained.

A keen eye should always be kept on what is concept and what is just abusive.

Right--what I am saying, though, is that you would pay for them as normal feats and then label them as power feats.

 

[hero4hire]

Right--what I am saying, though, is that you would pay for them as normal feats and then label them as power feats.

There is no difference in the cost of a Power Feat and a Feat. The only difference is Enhanced Feats (the technical term for a Feat bought as a Power) technically can be put in Arrays and has the potential for abuse.

 

[Rystil Arden]

There is no difference in the cost of a Power Feat and a Feat. The only difference is Enhanced Feats (the technical term for a Feat bought as a Power) technically can be put in Arrays and has the potential for abuse.

As far as I can tell, that terminology isn't present in the M&M 2e book. Are you thinking of Ultimate Power, or have I missed it (and the index missed it too).

 

[hero4hire]

Check out the Official Rules Questions Thread for Author Steve Kenson's use of Terminology. Specifiically here. But as I said it is the technical term but not the present core book official term since they didn't cover the subject of Normal Feats bought as Powers at that point.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Check out the Official Rules Questions Thread for Author Steve Kenson's use of Terminology. Specifiically here. But as I said it is the technical term but not the present core book official term since they didn't cover the subject of Normal Feats bought as Powers at that point.

Ohhhh, you mean enhanced traits (such as enhanced strength, etc). That's a totally different term which does exist in the core rules. Interestingly, notice how Steve Kenson said "If feats are available as Enhanced Traits, then you can treat them like other effects, including putting them in power structures like Arrays" and didn't say that they were actually available by default.

 

[hero4hire]

Ohhhh, you mean enhanced traits (such as enhanced strength, etc). That's a totally different term which does exist in the core rules. Interestingly, notice how Steve Kenson said "If feats are available as Enhanced Traits, then you can treat them like other effects, including putting them in power structures like Arrays" and didn't say that they were actually available by default.

Hence my answer in post 461. "If the GM allows."

As a character approval judge, I will have little tolerance for Putting Feats into Arrays.

Far too abusive IMO.