DungeonMaester
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On that token, would some one do a write up on a monk's unarmed damage for creates small to colossal.
---Rusty
---Rusty
DungeonMaester said:No, according the Monster Manual pg 312, RAW says no.
It says 'A Natural Weapon is a physical part of the creature.'
How ever in the second paragraph: Creatures can not receive extra attacks from a high base attack bonus.
Monks get bonus attacks from a higher attack bonus, so they don't. However, I'd houserule it in.
That is one side of the many page debate, as linked above (and several others). The other side is 'it says spells and effects, not prerequisites, so that ability has no bearing on whether the monk meets prerequisites'.eamon said:The question isn't whether a monk's unarmed strikes are a natural weapon. The monk class specifies that they're treated as such for spells or effects which "enhance or improve" them.
Improved Natural Weapon is an effect which improves a natural weapon; hence for the purpose of the feat a monk's unarmed strike is treated as a natural weapon - and the feat applies.
glass said:That is one side of the many page debate, as linked above (and several others). The other side is 'it says spells and effects, not prerequisites, so that ability has no bearing on whether the monk meets prerequisites'.
No, because IUS counts as a natural weapon for the purpose of spells. So spells that target natural weapons can target a monk's unarmed strike. If the wording was that that a monk's IUS counted as a natural weapon for the purpose of feats, then we wouldn't need this discussion.eamon said:By a similar logic, any spell targeting natural weapons which improves them, could theoretically improve a monk's unarmed strike, but simply can't target them.
I agree with Artoomis (and I didn't used to say that very often when we were still debating these things ).Artoomis said:Let's not redo that whole debate again. The case for both sides has already been succinctly stated in this thread. Can we drop it and leave it alone?
eamon said:The question isn't whether a monk's unarmed strikes are a natural weapon. The monk class specifies that they're treated as such for spells or effects which "enhance or improve" them.
Improved Natural Weapon is an effect which improves a natural weapon; hence for the purpose of the feat a monk's unarmed strike is treated as a natural weapon - and the feat applies.
DungeonMaester said:I found no eveidence that a feat is a spell or effect. Thus, saying this mechanic applies to a Monks Unarmed strike is arbitrary. And because it does not apply to the definition of a Unarmed weapon in the MM, then the answer still is no, BTB.
---Rusty