Ms Marvel (spoilers)

Stalker0

Legend
I'm not sold by the time Ultron fried Jarvis, there was going to be much of anything anyone could do to stop him.
I will agree with this. Though I think Stark's preparations were criminally negligent, once Ultron got past the defenses and attacked Jarvis, I think the speed of reaction was probably beyond Stark's ability to stop him.
 

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Ryujin

Legend
The first time I recall really noticing this was during the TV show 24. Everyone on the show used a Sprint cell phone and, at the time, Sprint (my employer then) was a CDMA carrier and didn't use SIM cards but they were constantly referring to the phones SIM cards in the show. It was never enough to take me out of the show, probably because 24 was so over the top already, but I always thought it was a mistake that could be easily avoided.
For me it's also every time that someone puts on a motorcycle helmet, but doesn't do up the strap. And have you ever tried riding a motorcycle at anything over a walking pace without a helmet, or at least a pair of glasses?
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Not gonna agree. Expected risk is an issue too, and I don't think he could have reasonably expected the degree of problem he got.

Alien artifact. Controls people's minds. Contains structures that themselves look like a mind. Shouldn't expect high risk? Really?

Meanwhile, by this time we have had all three Iron Man movies, and in every one of them, Tony's arrogance or rash decisions have largely created the problem he then has to solve with extreme violence.

So, he should be highly accustomed to the degree of problem he got. His refusal to discuss this with the team is acknowledgement of this pattern. Tony is the poster boy for being more concerned with whether he could do a thing, and not considering whether he should do the thing.

I give Tony credit for having good intentions, but the road to heck is paved in those.
 
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Rabulias

the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
Also, remember Tony's fear and trauma was recently resurfaced and amplified by Wanda shortly before.
Back to on topic: I too feel the Clandestine storyline resolved too quickly with Najma's turn coming out of nowhere. Overall another episode hinting at Najma being torn about her plan and Kamran might have given it enough breathing room to work better. Still I enjoyed the series very much, and I look forward to The Marvels next year and would be happy to see another season of Ms. Marvel.
 

Richards

Legend
Likewise, I'd be willing to give Ms. Marvel season two a try, because in episode six it finally delivered what I had been waiting all season to see: a big superhero fight with her using her powers in interesting ways. I gave episodes one and two a pass because she was just learning about her powers, but episodes three through five bored the tears out of me. (My 15-year-old nephew, who my grown son and I talked into watching it with us because the previews looked good, bailed after the third episode and I couldn't really blame him. We stuck around hoping it would get better and because we wanted to see the groundwork being laid for The Marvels.) I guess my biggest problem was I came in expecting a superhero show and this was first and foremost a coming of age show with some superhero trappings that were apparently a much lower priority to the creators of the show. But I really like the main actress - especially when she's in her geeking-out-over-superheroes mode, which she does a great job of - and I liked some of the little touches (like her running through the air on her hard-light float-disks and patiently waiting for the streetlight below her to turn green), and they put a lot of their special-effects budget into her actually using her "embiggening" powers in the fights at the end. So yeah, I'm ready for more of superhero Kamala, both in a second season of this show and in The Marvels, and I hope they keep her in superhero mode and less in "moping about her family" mode, which got boring pretty quickly. (And I'm sure the scene where Kamala, her mother, and her grandmother all hugged was supposed to be a big emotional payoff, but I was more, "Okay, good, everybody's friends now - can we get to a fight scene now? Please?")

Johnathan
 


Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Maybe this is just Stark's arrogance at play? It's a stretch because he should know better but it's the best reason I can come up with.
Absolutely this, the entire ‘phase 1 plot arc’ is the the redemption of Tony Stark and quite frankly up until the destruction of Sokovia Tony Stark can easily fit in the list of MCU villains - he’s an arrogant, self entitled jerk, who knows he’s cleverer than everyone else, beleives he has the right to do what he chooses and misuses his technology (sounds like Doctor Doom).
The creation of Ultron is a response to Tonys extreme paranoia (PTSD?) But also his autocratic traits of not needing to tell anyone else before doing something so dangerous.
its ony when that fails too and Tony is at his lowest that he finally accepts the oversight of the Sokovia Accords. His redemption finally comes in the Infinity Saga.
sure Ironman is used to put right each of Tony’s mistakes but he keeps making those mistakes- and now Damage Control seems to be following the same paranoid legacy.

one thing people have raised is that the new phase of the MCU seems to be a bit anchorless atm, phase 1 -3 was tightly bound up as Iron Mans story, the question is where is Ms Marvel taking us next?
 

Since the talk about the end credit has been split between Kamala and Carol switching place or Kamala morphing into Carol, as happened in the comic book, the producer has clarified:

Producer Bisha K Ali has clarified the nature of Larson's appearance in the post-credit scene of Ms Marvel, confirming that "Kamala doesn't turn into Carol." As many had theorized, the two switched places, which is an "important distinction" as Kamala has shape-shifted into Danvers in the comics in the past:

"Correct. It’s an important distinction, just because in the comic books, that’s something that [Kamala] does — she can change the way she looks, and she looks like Carol Danvers in Issue 1 of the comic book. She’s not turning into Carol [on the show]. That’s Carol Danvers standing in Kamala’s bedroom."
 

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