Hypersmurf
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KarinsDad said:
See Rapid Reload.
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My @!@#! Player abusing Feather Fall
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See Rapid Reload.
-Hyp.
Karinsdad, up until now you have been holding up the ambigousness of an incomplete list in a section of the rules, as being ambigousness in the rules as a whole. This is a section in a chapter that does not deal directly with the topic in detail, chiefly because that is the role of a seperate chapter and section. A separate chapter and section I have pointed out where it is explicit. For the rules to be seen as ambigous in the whole you must make the choice, a choice every DM is free to make, to ignore portions of the rules. But stop trying to pass off your choice as something other than Rule Zero.
Go through the Combat section doing a Search for "such as". You'll find incomplete lists. Lists that could be shorter or left out entirely, with only the short naming of the grouping of situation or factors. But they chose to include common examples in incomplete lists. They then expand in detail on those lists of factors and situations in the section that deals directly with it.
Now we see you depart onto something much, much wierder. Akin to tea reading. Reading interpretations into what a free action means by inaccurate characterisations of groupings by using circular logic. That whole of #4 has gotten much, much worse problems than what Hypersmurf points out. The problem of grappling disrupting Quickened spells because it explicitly states that all spells [EDIT:that] can even be started [EDIT:during grappling] can be disrupted by grappling.
Also if the Quickened spells require something less than full spell concentration i'd like to see where you can cast a Quickened spell in the middle of maintaining a spell or in the middle of casting.
Go through the Combat section doing a Search for "such as". You'll find incomplete lists. Lists that could be shorter or left out entirely, with only the short naming of the grouping of situation or factors. But they chose to include common examples in incomplete lists. They then expand in detail on those lists of factors and situations in the section that deals directly with it.
Hypersmurf said:
Now we see you depart onto something much, much wierder. Akin to tea reading. Reading interpretations into what a free action means by inaccurate characterisations of groupings by using circular logic. That whole of #4 has gotten much, much worse problems than what Hypersmurf points out. The problem of grappling disrupting Quickened spells because it explicitly states that all spells [EDIT:that] can even be started [EDIT:during grappling] can be disrupted by grappling.
Also if the Quickened spells require something less than full spell concentration i'd like to see where you can cast a Quickened spell in the middle of maintaining a spell or in the middle of casting.
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sullivan said:
Incorrect.
The three quotes I made were from the Concentration skill itself in discussion of characters being distracted. Only one of those three was from the list. But, the Concentration skill section IS the rules just as much as the Magic Overview section in the book on this topic.
Try again.
If two sections concerning the same rules have a conflict or an ambiguity, it is not the way sullivan interprets it as the ONLY way.
If YOUR interpretation is the only one, then every DM should force PCs and NPCs to roll a Concentration check whenever they cast Feather Fall while falling because falling is minimally a vigorous (and often unexpected) motion for the caster.
Do you enforce THAT in your game?
DM: Oh too bad. Although your wizard purposely studied that Feather Fall spell, you missed your concentration roll for casting while falling, so you fall the 50 feet and die. Better luck next time.
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What's your point with that, Sullivan?
It has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
It has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
Hypersmurf
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KarinsDad said:
From the SRD: "The time required for you to reload your chosen type of crossbow is reduced to a free action (for a hand or light crossbow) or a move action (for a heavy crossbow). Reloading a crossbow still provokes an attack of opportunity."
-Hyp.
sullivan said:
You can cast a Quickened spell in the middle of maintaining a spell or in the middle of casting a spell.
"You can perform one or more free actions while taking another action normally."
"Casting a quickened spell is a free action. You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast a quickened spell."
Free actions are taken DURING other actions. Nothing prevents that other action from being spell casting. So, this allows it. Feel free to post a rule that disallows it.
Strike two???
