Need advice-getting rid of a player

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Heya:

It's funny how _always_ in these types of threads, some people choose to defend the "bad guy". Now, admittedly, we never know who really is the bad guy, since we never have all the information. But it doesn't matter, anyway. As somebody said above, life is too short. He's either a bad guy or a good guy (or a neutral guy, I s'pose). If he's bad, then he needs to be gone, send an email, lock the doors. If he's good, then he'll find another group quickly, and life will go on. Woo.

One last thing: Another thing that almost always happens in these types of threads is that there's rarely any "closure". Please let us know how things work out.

Best of luck,
Dreeble
 

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Well, I'm sure most of this has been said already, but here it goes....

First... this is not work, this is not a public place (assuming you game at someone's home) you have every right to restrict who does & doesn't game with you, end of story what ever the reason might be.

Second... people there are uncomfortable, this is not even allowed at a work place, end of story. (at least in the US, its called a hostile work enviorment)

Third... do this via email, these do not sound like people you want to deal with in person ever again if possible. As said above be honest and straight forward, but that doesn'e mean it has to be in person, use email.

Just my thoughs. Good luck and let us know how it pans out.

JDragon
 

If the man is dangerous, no amount of past friendship should protect him from the consequences of his creepiness.

The question then, is "is he dangerous?"

From your description, I'd have to say, "yes." Especially to the minor. No matter what kind of friend he may have been in the past, if he's making the minor uncomfortable, protect her, and don't do it by punishing her!
 

I think the method of getting rid of him should still be the same, have her parents talk to him and explain the situation calmly and rationally. If they feel the situation has gone beyond a remedy than so be it. I'm certainly not advocating punishing the victim. I run a Larp with very strict code of conduct rules. If someone is making someone feel uncomfortable in an OOG way they are given fair warning and if they persist we move to discipline based on the nature of the offense. For serious offenses we can skip the warning phase.

What we seem to have here is a 15 year old girl and a guy of at least 25 giving her unwanted attention, whether through flirtation, humor, or intimidation. This is most certainly a job for her parents to handle.

From the previous posts I got the impression that these comments were made out of earshot of other people, or were they phrased so subtly that none of you picked up on it? I also got the impression (incorrectly perhaps) that the girl is not the person who brought it to the group's attention... (or presumably her parent's attention). The point is that if an adult male is behaving innappropriately toward a minor and her parents are aware of it, they should deal with it.
 

The most serious comment that was made was a comment that was made at the gaming table, while there was a lot of background noise. From what I understand only two poeple heard it, one the girl inquestion and the other an adult. I don't even know exactly what was heard at this point since it was only mentioned some weeks after the comment was made.

I don't think he is dangerous himself, and I bet that if we actually pinpointed the time that things started getting bad, it would correspond to the time that he found his current girl friend, but I don't feel comfortable taking chances if I am wrong.

Right now the group seems most comfortable with removing him from the game however.
 

Sounds messier than I had originally thought. Kick his butt out. I've played as the significantly younger gamer and as an older gamer with younger (read: teenager) gamers. Nothing good will come from someone making such inappropriate comments in front of some one very young, it sounds as if you have asked him to stop. He isn't listening and he is not contributing to a safe gaming atmosphere. If the man is confrontational as it sounds, I'm all for Enceladus' idea.

I've been in groups where taking a breather and coming back without the player in question has been a very good idea - just make sure you remind the good players that you will be coming back. Just make sure safety is the priority; he could just be a weirdo who makes uncouth comments; but he could be off the deep end. Keep things in perspective.

Erge
 

We'd all been mumbling for a while about this guy creeping us out, but in 2s and 3s and never all together. So I got a little tired of it and told everyone as a whole that if he was really creeping us out we should do something about it. Already before this point he was not "allowed" to be alone with the young one-not that we told him this, we just made sure it didn't happen. Now, when we got together all it did was assure everybody that they were not the only one getting the vibe. And yes, the young one pointed out specific things, but they were all addressed directly to her at times when the noise level in the room was either too loud or some of the party was off in another room or we were all in the room, but tuning out the OOG conversations. There are 8 of us if everyone shows up, btw, which is most of the time. So you can imagine how loud it gets at times.

What Rune said:
If the man is dangerous, no amount of past friendship should protect him from the consequences of his creepiness.

The question then, is "is he dangerous?"

From your description, I'd have to say, "yes." Especially to the minor. No matter what kind of friend he may have been in the past, if he's making the minor uncomfortable, protect her, and don't do it by punishing her!

Is pretty much what we're getting at, but don't want to say since nothing has happened, we just think that there is, well, potential for it. We don't want to condemn someone for something they haven't done.

Right now the emails are flying and the young one is feeling like this is all her fault and is considering backing down. As protective as the rest of us are of her, I don't think we're going to let that happen. It was a group decision to send the first email and we wouldn't have done it just on her say-so. Her information was just the confirmation that we needed, not the sole basis of our decision. We're waiting for everyone to agree on something so it's not just one person or a few people's decision. I will let everyone know when it's resolved. I know we can't be the only ones to ever go through this.

The relationship between us and this guy is, the hubby and I knew him in college about 10 years ago. Not well, though he dated one of my friends. We ran into him at a party about a year ago, one thing led to another, and we allowed him into the group. Like Shadoe said, the creep factor spiked after his last few girlfriends and before that it really wasn't bad enough to make anyone want to take action.

The reason we get together socially outside of gaming is, well, that's just the way we are. The gaming group is usually together on everyone's birthday, national holidays, etc. Not always and not necessarily everyone, but they have become our main social group besides just our gaming group. It's not that we were all friends first and then started gaming together. The hubby and I might occasionally run into him after this at a mutual friend's place, but we're the only ones. The fact that we knew him before has been mentioned jokingly to us in the course of all this, but I do kind of feel bad about it. If they didn't think we knew him well there would have been more of a screening process, but instead it was assumed that we knew him and he was cool or else we wouldn't have asked if he could join.

But, I'm not dwelling on that. Maybe it's my fault that I implied that we knew him better than we actually did, but I didn't make him the way he is.
 

I think you're making the correct decisions. In addition, I'd talk with the younger player and explain that it isn't at all her fault. She'll need to hear it. Explain to her that he's a problem for all of you and that she's simply a part of the group in that respect.

Don't even tell her she was a catalyst, else she'll probably focus on that and translate it right back to her being at fault.
 

People are really too frightened of confrontation, I think. Bottom line is, the group is not having as much fun as they would be having if this player was not present. They do not feel comfortable having him around. So just tell him, and end it. If he cannot handle a rejection from a D&D group, that alone should tell all you need to know about him.
 

Take 2

Had a meeting last night with the group -1 (one person is determined to be noncommital, as he is with everything else, we're told). We spent about an hour and a half discussing our concerns, mostly to reassure the youngest member and her dad that we weren't doing this just to protect her and weren't going to freak out in a few months and feel like we were talked into it. We heard about more "incidents" from her dad and his wife and if we were determined to be rid of him before, we're even more so now.

We spent some time drafting a letter from her dad saying he didn't feel his daughters (there are 3) were safe around the guy and he knows this isn't fair, not giving him a chance to explain, but that's the feeling he has and he's going to act on it. That was followed by a paragraph stating that the rest of us back him up on this, don't want any further contact with him, and that while we understand that he might have a response, we consider the whole thing finished.

What we actually ended up emailing him was a much shorter note basically saying "sorry, we tried to be subtle but the truth is, we don't want you around." Several of us didn't want to go into the reasons with him and we figured if he asked "why" we've got the other letter ready to go.

Now we wait for the chips to fall. Will keep everyone posted. I'm pretty sure it's not over just yet.
 

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