OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[Laurel]

1) Convincing Mik/Archonus that a deal with Big Blue is the only way... which, I think it is.
a) He hasn't given any counters that could work but we all would love ta hear em
b) The bluestar as all people can be redeemed- there is hope. He was a great hero and honored friend of loyal, lawful, good other heroes.... OOC- Darth Vader perhaps to continue our SW parallel for things.
c) We don't have to agree to side with him forever, but for now why not use him
d) if he is an ally we might be able to keep a better eye on what he is doing, what he knows, and better access to all those supplies he has.
e) We can possibly save all those suffering souls in the North but this alliance --more a stretch. If they come down to fight they can possible actually die instead of just being undead for centuries upon centuries serving him. Those who are not undead can come out from under rule and possibly be able to choose if they go back.....
f) I know there's more...


2) Determining what we have that Big Blue wants:
a) To practice his craft freely,
b) To let others practice it freely?
c) To get all the blades
d) To see Tain defeated
e) I know there's more

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

For Janstens group: Set up to meet where they feel comfortable, which is in the North. Set a meeting close to where we meet with the bluestar maybe, so we aren't traveling round his domain and possbly have to answer for that.

I think a meeting with them should be far away from the meeting with the Bluestar... they are a small rebellion... if they draw too much attention, they will be crushed.

And, at this point, if one thing is to be sacrificed, I think the meeting with the rebellion is it.. they are important... but, right now, we need the Bluestar too much to chance violating an agreement with him by dealing with them.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Big Blue wants freedom. Are we willing to give it to him?

 

[Laurel]

So possible places to meet (again) after Kennon's stuff:
The Bluestar- East side of Wall, away from Sylvanus
The Mercs- Whatever side/place is closest to them as stated above so they can get thier faster and easier. Is this West side? Not actually along the wall?
Jansten- We go to whatever place they have deemed the safest spot to speak/talk. It sounded like it was in the North somewhere.

 

[Laurel]

I think a meeting with them should be far away from the meeting with the Bluestar... they are a small rebellion... if they draw too much attention, they will be crushed.

And, at this point, if one thing is to be sacrificed, I think the meeting with the rebellion is it.. they are important... but, right now, we need the Bluestar too much to chance violating an agreement with him by dealing with them.

IMO I don't think anything should talked about sacrificing or giving up on yet. We need to at least talk to them. Nothing may come from it, but we can't just not see them, just not say anything to them, just not help them! They have asked we must try at the very least.

 

[The_Universe]

Big Blue wants freedom. Are we willing to give it to him?

GREAT question. Easily the most important to answer.

EDIT:I'm going to lunch. I'll respond to whatever's here when I get back as time allows.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

IMO I don't think anything should talked about sacrificing or giving up on yet. We need to at least talk to them. Nothing may come from it, but we can't just not see them, just not say anything to them, just not help them! They have asked we must try at the very least.

We have limited time to deal with things in the North. Jansten's rebellion can remain on the schedule. But, if time is cut short, I don't think it is a necessity, right now.

They want resources from us... we don't have anything we can give at the moment... though I think they are important, I do not want to risk screwing up the mission to the Isle by meeting up with the rebellion on Big Blues turf... he's a smart guy. He knows what's going on in his frozen kingdom.

 

[Laurel]

Feed back?

2) Determining what we have that Big Blue wants:
a) To practice his craft freely
b) To let others practice it freely?
We have already agreed to this, honestly if he wants we can give him the same offer serve us for one year and we will let him practice and then grant him amnesty (I doubt he would take it) He would have the option of using his magics for good or for learning and studying purposes only. Once he broke the laws and rules we are then free to try and kill him.... I know there are lots of negatives to this, but as stated don't think he would take it anyways. He has too much to lose.

c) To get all the blades
We already gave him one blade, and though we sort of have another blade, it does have a soul and still isn't really 'ours'. Until something changes all the same reason's we came up with and agreed on fro igoshi (sp?) going to him will stand for all the other blades that we get control of. That something that could change is we build a maze, traps, house to hide a blade or any of the other options out there. Only with some way to hold it resonably well can we even think about holding any blade we rescue.

d) To see Tain defeated
Um yes we like this goal.

e) To be freed from the North
Going back to something Kennon said earlier... does he really want this? Right now he is the God of the North, the absolute ruler there. He very well may want this and I think we should consider it a very high possibility, but hey there is a chance he won't
Personally, I don't see how freeing him would give us anything. He can command and pull strings from his Northern seat. If the only way he will help is to be free? Then we start pushing time tables. See below as to why, but for the current time I would have to say NO.

Also, remember that at some point we may be freeing him anyways. We have to destroy all the blades that includes the one in the wall. It may not bring down the magic, but hedging a very good assumtion it will. I'm not agreeing to, nor promoting that we agree to free him now, but just reminding us that it will happen eventually no matter what.

f) There's more....

 

[Laurel]

IC convos

Sorry! I have been one of those slackers about getting things to the boards. Put up a few, and will post any others I find that I haven't already

 

[Archon]

the other ways to skin a cat

I understand everyone is eager to negotiate with the Bluestar and i do realize the benefits of an alliance with him, what i'm saying is "the ends never justify the means", and if we do make this alliance we are leaving our children a war to fight.
I belive that the blades on the Isle of Mourning can be sacrificed, and i also belive that we can convince some, if not all, of Tain's general's to defect. When all of humanity is threatend by the shadow of Tiamat, it should lend to a more unified resistence. We just need to spread the word to the right people. Therefore, we should focus on Caer Albion and not the North.
Saving Caer Albion should be our number one priority because...
1.) Innocent lives are at stake.
2.) A victory there makes us National heroes and brings The Banner of the Phoenix into the Light.
3.)The Talons are based there and would make powerful allies
4.)There might be information there about destroying the Spirit Blades
5.)Once victory is established, convincing Tain's general's to defect should become easier
6.)Caer Albion provides an excellent defensive base of operations
7.)They asked for our help.
Now, i agree we need to go north and talk with Jansten's rebels and the mercs, but i think we should 'port to Caer Albion first and let them know help is on the way. We could take Fraerithier with us and while we are negotiating in the north Fraerithier could be conversing with Caer Albion's generals, gathering info and plotting our forces best tactical deployment.
We also need a method of transporting thousands of men from the north to Caer Albion do we have access to this kind of power?
-mik