[ooc]Traveller T20 - Full

[Douane]

Just realized - the vessel rules aren't all that harsh after all - there are so many feats available that it's possible to cover all the ship types relatively quickly.

Really? Even for starship pilots?

The basic rules only count 13 different basic starship designs. So what constitutes a "type" as mentioned in the feat? (For example, are a Courier and a Seeker a different type?)


Folkert

 

[Maerdwyn]

Vessel groups are like "Vessel(Ground)" or "Vessel(Starships)". the feat says you choose one of these, and then one of the subgroups.

Vessel subgroups are the lines under those groups, so "Vessel(Ground - Wheeled)" and Vessel (Ground-Tracked)

Vessel (Starships) and Vessel (Ship's Boats) have no subgroups, therefore the group covers all the vessels in that class (although I might require a another feat for an exotic type of dive or, etc. In effect, the table says that all starships are as similar to pilot as groundcars are to a wheeled ATV.

So, For my reading, there are only 14 types of vessel feats (including all of the ground, grav, water, air, ship's boats, and starships).

Vessel Specialization is where things really baloon out, as there you really do have to name a particular a particular type of vessel, like ground cars or Courier.

 

[Douane]

Vessel groups are like "Vessel(Ground)" or "Vessel(Starships)". the feat says you choose one of these, and then one of the subgroups.

Vessel subgroups are the lines under those groups, so "Vessel(Ground - Wheeled)" and Vessel (Ground-Tracked)

Vessel (Starships) and Vessel (Ship's Boats) have no subgroups, therefore the group covers all the vessels in that class (although I might require a another feat for an exotic type of dive or, etc. In effect, the table says that all starships are as similar to pilot as groundcars are to a wheeled ATV.

So, For my reading, there are only 14 types of vessel feats (including all of the ground, grav, water, air, ship's boats, and starships).

Vessel Specialization is where things really baloon out, as there you really do have to name a particular a particular type of vessel, like ground cars or Courier.

Okay, so I misread the table rather badly! So why didn't anyone tell me before when I complained/griped about that? (I took the "groups" detailed under the heading "Examples" as the subgroups detailed in the feat's description. What probably threw me off course was the Vessel(Grav) - Grav Vehicles line. My thoughts: Why mention this if there is only one subgroup? Well, that and the fact I was doing most of the "Work" on the PC at five AM local time. )


Sorry,

Folkert

 

[Maerdwyn]

Well, note that I misread it too - and not without reason, as the text by saying stuff like "If a character is familiar with a class of vehicles within the same subgroup" it confuses things rather badly - it should have said group not subgroup, which implies you need a different feat for every member of a subgroup, not each member of a group.

clear as mud?

 

[doghead]

I think that I have one too many feats as well. I'll edit that.

The vessel feats/skills is not as harsh as it initially seems given the number of feats a character acquires, but its a whole lot less simple than the original system. Oh well, whatever. Its the game that counts. Great games can be had with crap systems, and vice versa. I'm a little beered up so please forgive the bluntness.

Hava nice day.

 

[Watus]

You also seem to have spent the whooping amount of 1 skill point too much. (64 instead of 63)

You're absolutely right. Corrected. Thanks.

in addition, I believe you have one feat too much: Universal starting feat = Normal feat for level 1.

Oops. Right again. Had that in there twice, didn't I? Nuts.

 

[Seonaid]

AGH! I empathize with whoever (doghead?) said it before: you go away for a day and the world explodes while you're gone.

I'll take care of the feats stuff later today. I was also concerned with my BAB and saves. I think those were my major possible problems. Thanks!

 

[Watus]

Force Commander is the Marine equivalent to Major.

Force Commander's an actual rank? Aw, nuts.

Although, frankly, a hard charger with 7 ranks in P/Administrator is more interesting than one without, no?

"They just kept promotin' me, kid. What the hell was I supposed to do?"

 

[doghead]

"They just kept promotin' me, kid. What the hell was I supposed to do?"

Punch someone in the hooter. It usually worked for me.

 

[Douane]

AGH! I empathize with whoever (doghead?) said it before: you go away for a day and the world explodes while you're gone.

I'll take care of the feats stuff later today. I was also concerned with my BAB and saves. I think those were my major possible problems. Thanks!

Seonaid,

your data:

BAB: +1

Fort: +1 base + 0 CON = +1
Refl: +4 base + 2 DEX = +6
Will: +4 base +0 WIS = +4

[EDIT: Aargh, Bad Mistakes!]

BTW, the Aslan file is coming along, but I still need a bit of time.


Folkert