Order of the Stick: How long will they put up with Miko?

[Farganger]

I agree, Roy's line felt like one of those movie moments where the director is trying to get the audience to applaud something that's really kind of awful. It turned me off to the character a bit.

Great observation.

I hadn't noticed at first, but that's exactly how it strikes me now. I think such scenes have become such a staple, and so commonplace, that it's sometimes hard to recognize the ugly/cheap side of the "big put-down" moment.

 

[frankthedm]

Miko is an overbearing bitch who needed just what she got. I picture that in a lot of gamers' signifigant others when i hear "I can't buy that, she'll kill me."

 

[StupidSmurf]

...to some...To others...

What happens in your campaign hardly affects how people outside your group play paladins. I could go on and on about IMC explaining how paladins should be played but it wouldn't change how I have experienced them being played. I've seen paladins being played with very little party conflict, and I've seen them come to life or death blows because the party wouldn't follow some trivial detail the paladin thought important. don't even think you can make a statement that one was being played "better" than the other, just that Miko's attitude is the same or even less harsh than many have seen people play paladins.

That's why I said ANOTHER perspective. As in, mine. Apparently your initial observation comes from how you've seen paladins played either in your group, or in a group that you've gamed with. OK, cool, that's your experience. Well, my perspective is based on my experiences, and I was offering a different take. That's all I was saying, and I thought I made that clear. In fact, I don't even think I actually even said anything about "Our way is better".

But now that I'm here, what the heck, I may as well editorialize: I think that someone who plays a paladin in such a way that they are a detriment to the group is playing the paladin badly. There. I said it.

 

[StupidSmurf]

Great observation.

I hadn't noticed at first, but that's exactly how it strikes me now. I think such scenes have become such a staple, and so commonplace, that it's sometimes hard to recognize the ugly/cheap side of the "big put-down" moment.

Yeah...I initially cheered it, as a sort of knee-jerk reaction, then once the initial "Yeaa-ahhh!" wore off...yeah...it seemed kind of harsh. I actually started to feel bad for her.

Thing is, Miko is unquestionably being a bitch. She's personifying the worst traits/abuses in the paladin character. And she deserves to be taken down a notch or two. But, and this is something that pops up in a lot of stories, it seems that the comeuppance tends to be grossly out of proportion with the initial "crime". Take for instance a kid who keys your car as he races by on his skateboard. That's infuriating. The little astard-bay deserves to be punished, and you deserve restitution. Taking out a shotgun and blowing his fool head off is taking things a bit too far, and you lose any sympathy you may have had garnered from the initial incident.

 

[DanMcS]

Thing is, Miko is unquestionably being a bitch. She's personifying the worst traits/abuses in the paladin character. And she deserves to be taken down a notch or two. But, and this is something that pops up in a lot of stories, it seems that the comeuppance tends to be grossly out of proportion with the initial "crime".

She tried to kill them.

When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back. So it is in Firefly, so it is in D&D. She's getting off lightly with just a chewing-out.

 

[diaglo]

Take for instance a kid who keys your car as he races by on his skateboard. That's infuriating. The little astard-bay deserves to be punished, and you deserve restitution. Taking out a shotgun and blowing his fool head off is taking things a bit too far, and you lose any sympathy you may have had garnered from the initial incident.

but then you feel better.

and you get to drag his body inside to your bedroom and claim he tried to steal from you.

or that may just be me.

 

[frankthedm]

Taking out a shotgun and blowing his fool head off is taking things a bit too far, and you lose any sympathy you may have had garnered from the initial incident.

Not in my book.

 

[ForceUser]

She tried to kill them.

When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back. So it is in Firefly, so it is in D&D. She's getting off lightly with just a chewing-out.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Roy's treatment of her (pre- and post-op) is as wrong as her treatment of the OotS, and the end result is more bad feelings all the way around. I'm actually pretty disappointed in Roy for not taking the high road.

 

[Sejs]

So, wait, let me see if I follow here...

...calling her an overbearing, self-righteous bitch is too harsh a comeuppance for her in fact being an overbearing, self-righteous bitch?

Buh?

 

[DanMcS]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Roy's treatment of her (pre- and post-op) is as wrong as her treatment of the OotS, and the end result is more bad feelings all the way around. I'm actually pretty disappointed in Roy for not taking the high road.

It's ok. She'll stop feeling bad when they kill her.