(OT) Any vegans out there?

Alchemist said:
For a powerful ethical treatment of why meat is wrong, try Animal Liberation by Peter Singer. What it all boils down to is that no matter how you cut it, animals raised and killed for us to eat suffer, and causing suffering to any other being is wrong. Intensive farm operations are brutal and concerned only with the bottom line and slaughterhouses (even used for religious purposes) are not quick and humane, despite the propaganda. So anyway, give it a read and see if you can refute him. Enough politics from me. :)

Watch me refute him! :p

Whether the animal suffers or not doesn't matter. Inhumanely slaughtered animal, Yum Yum. ;)
 

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My sister used to be Vegan, and by extent I largely was too. I was never too careful about reading lables or anything like that, if the sauce I bought had animal by products in it, or I felt a horrible craveing for a DQ blizzard *shugs* it's not the end of the world. Hell there were even a few times I'd break down and buy a burger or something. The important thing for me though was that I didn't let myself feel guilty for doing so. Vegan can be a fairly expencive lifestyle choice though. I tried to continue it after I moved out but realized that paying 2 to 3 times as much for animal friendly products was too much of a strain on my budget. I don't have any of the recipe books here but the next time I'm at my moms place I'll pick em up and type out a few recipies for you.
 

Yes -- more recipe advice, please, less snarking!

Road trips can be difficult for vegans, yet another reason to learn to cook well. The Moosewood Cookbook (the original one) has a great recipe for samosa, those spicy potatoes-and-peas Indian treats; you can make these vegan very easily, and they'd be awesome on a car trip, little packets of spicy goodness.

Sandwiches aren't so exciting for most vegans: unless you find a recipe for a tofu salad that you like, you'll probably be stuck with PB&J, which gets old fast.

For a change, try slicing tempeh into thin strips, soaking it in soy sauce and garlic and a little brown sugar for a few minutes, and then frying it up in oil. It becomes a vague approximation of bacon, inasmuch as it's fatty, salty, slightly sweet protein, and is good for breakfast or (presumably) for "B"LT sandwiches. (I use it in quiche also, but that's not vegan).

STAY AWAY from fake cheeses. Unless you're partial to eating latex, you'll not enjoy the experience. Soy milk, soy ice cream, and the like can be good. Fake cheese is just nasty.

Of all the fake meats, the new bratwursts are my favorite. They're spicy and good (you may be noticing a theme: I think spicy is a great trait for vegan food to have). Baked tofu is also a fun thing to take on picnics and hikes.

What sorts of food do you like eating if avoiding meat weren't a goal? I might be able to direct you toward some vegan foods that would satisfy the same cravings.

Vegan foods are often pretty gross when they try to imitate meaty/dairy-y foods. But sometimes you can recognize the core traits of a desired food (it's salty and greasy and deep-flavored! It's chewy and moist and spicy! It's sweet and soft!) and can come up with some food that has similar traits that's vegan.

Daniel
 

Voadam said:
I believe that all Kosher prepared foods are considered valid for halal purposes. So Halal is just a bigger circle of food that includes all of the Kosher ones.

But I also think both practices only determine how the animals are slaughtered, not how they are kept during their lives.

I do not know for sure however.

I'm not 100% certain either, but I do know that Kosher butchering is not supposed to take place on sick or injured animals. The health (which stems from the care) of the animal is, therefore, obviously going to be a concern. I've not thoroughly researched the question, so I could be wrong.

I do recall Rabbi Walters, who taught the few classes regarding Judaism I took, going into some detail regarding Kosher practices and the care of animals, but the details are quite hazy. I probably have the relevant information buried somewhere in my home library.

And, just be bad for a second: Peter Singer? Puh-leeze. He is Mister Pro-Infanticide and Pro-Beastiality, hardly someone who is qualified to sensibly lecture anyone on ethics.

:rolleyes:
 



Pielorinho said:
you'll probably be stuck with PB&J, which gets old fast.

Aside from my traditional American love of peanut butter, the two pieces of advice I have here is change the type of bread and the type of jelly every so often. PB & grape jelly is completely different from PB & strawberry jelly and so on. Also, changing the type of bread helps, too. For me, anyway, but I'm a PB&J diehard.
 


Just so we're clear - the next person to reference second-hand smoke will make Dinkeldog and me into very unhappy moderators.

Please, folks - stay on topic! And thank you, everyone who is continuing to do so.
 


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