(OT) Hmmm Star Wars II Seen I Have!

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Black Omega said:

Ironically, he's been insulting people for not liking a movie he himself had apparently not seen yet. Talk about making up your mind before ever seeing the movie.:)

I'm still waiting for links to those reviews calling lucas fans idiots.

take a look earlier in the thread. someone on these boards went to the movie and the local reviewer was sitting behind him. apparently, she couldn't keep her trap shut about how stupid the movie was.

you won't find any links to reviews where a reviewer calls a fan an idiot. but i'm sure you can find loads that probably start by saying...."This movie's going to make a zillion dollars because of the rabid SW fans BUT.......". anytime i read that, i pretty much know where it's heading.

as for your first part, that is complete nonsense. i've argued with the lucas haters that they should not be judging this movie based on their hatred of lucas and on their hatred of episode !. i was certainly predisposed to liking this movie, but that still doesn't take away the fact that it was a good movie.
 

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EricNoah said:


Can you really not see a difference between:

"I hated Episode II."

and

"If you hated Episode II you're miserable and wretched, and you must have had your eyes and ears closed."

You essentially blame a person's opposing opinions on flaws in character. And that's simply no way to have any kind of civilized debate. But if your intent is to *hurt* or make people defensive, then you're succeeding. And just because others might be doing it (i.e. Rinndillar suggesting that if you don't boycott you lack integrity) doesn't mean that your similar behavior goes unnoticed. What it does for me is make me less likely to want to get into *any* kind of discussion with you in the future -- I see your tactics and a repeated pattern of personal attacks and it just makes me want to stay away. Which is a shame because I'm sure you have lots of good stuff to share.

look eric, maybe i need to clarify. if someone has legitimate beefs with the movie, i'll be glad to discuss them. i am talking about a select few here who will probably not give this movie a fair shake because of their personal hatred for the movie's creator. to me, those people are in a sense miserable because it is so juvenile for 30+ year olds to have that level of hatred for someone they've never met. for someone who didn't create his imaginary world JUST the way they wanted him to. so yes, the lucas haters of the world are miserable, they are wretched, and i will not let their B.S. go unchallenged.

if you have no beef with lucas, but don't like some stuff, fine. i may disagree, i may make points in my favor, but i'll have more respect for you than i ever would for the L-H's.
 

King_Stannis said:
didn't know you were in with the lucas-vendetta-hater crowd, eric. thought you had better judgement than that. to each their own, though.

Dude, this ain't a "fer me or agin' me" issue - there's room for criticism, while still enjoying it. That's an awful harsh stance to take. By the way, are the critics who enjoyed it "scum" also. It seems that the constant Lucas-bashing in the "kewl" crowd has soured you to actual, honest criticism.

Whatever happened to "agree to disagree?"

However, I don't have any sympathy for those who actively ruin a movie for another, like the one poster with the "movie critic who wouldn't shut up." That critic should have had the same basic courtesy that is requested by the staff of the theater. Basic rule: if you're there in the theater to bash a movie out loud, you don't belong there. Get the **** out and let everybody else do what they are supposed to be there for!

SPOILERS AHEAD, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!





I saw it at a 7:00 PM showing on the 16th - and I had two feelings. One was "that was it????" - I honestly have no clue where the 2 1/2 hours I spent on that film went! This actually disappointed me, to an extent, because of the unfinished feeling it had. I usually like a movie to "wrap itself up" in a way, and this one felt very, very unfinished.

I definitely enjoyed it, though. Every minute was fun, from the street chase to the last scene. For the spectacle of a mass Jedi battle, it was worth every dollar. For the Yoda fight at the end, it was worth twice that, to see that little green Tasmanian Devil kick major butt. My absolute favorite was the moment you know he's faking - he simply picks up his staff, assumes his crouch, and hobbles along to check on the wounded.

Jar Jar - what can I say about the floppy-eared goof? He stole the screen like last time, and I laughed out loud at the moment he makes the senate proposal. My only thought was, "if the Ep1 haters hated him then, they've got a WHOLE NEW BAG OF AMMUNITION NOW." :) I gotta hand it to the gungan. He surprised me.

Anakin's Palpatine instruction- It was a nice touch the way they gave insinuations that Palpy had been winning over and teaching Anakin over the years. However, the part that felt force was that we unfortunately could not see that period of time in this movie. By the time the movie opens, we can see that Anakin has a great deal of trust and respect in Palpatine, but we do not get tosee how this comes to be.

Anakin's loss - I was actually shocked at this, though I suppose I shouldn't have been. It is his rashness that gets him and Obi-wan in trouble, and he pays the price, though he will undoubtedly refuse to see it later. In his mind, it will likely be Obi-wan's fault that he suffered his loss, and this will drive him deeper into darkness.

This episode leaves many, many questions unanswered, and with the amount of time left only down to one movie, it will be fascinating how it all fits together.
 


King_Stannis said:
Almost every negative review of these last two movies has taken swipes at the fans and what sheep they are, while then going on to give an gobjectiveh review.


And then later from King when I asked about these reviews.


you won't find any links to reviews where a reviewer calls a fan an idiot.


I'll just leave this discussion at this and move on to more interesting things.

I'll probably end up seeing the movie. The cool scenes I've heard about sound well worth the slower moments. I've been through about 15 reviews now and thumbs up or down, they all seem to agree the movie is excellent eyecandy with good action. I wish there was no Jar Jar, but he's worth seeing Yoda laying the smackdown.:)
 

Henry said:


Dude, this ain't a "fer me or agin' me" issue - there's room for criticism, while still enjoying it. That's an awful harsh stance to take. By the way, are the critics who enjoyed it "scum" also. It seems that the constant Lucas-bashing in the "kewl" crowd has soured you to actual, honest criticism.

Whatever happened to "agree to disagree?"...

that wasn't my stance, henry! read my above post to eric. i was talking about a certain few. i'll gladly debate and RESPECT honest criticism of the movie.

and to answer your question, yes, i most likely have been soured to honest criticism because the kewlness of bashing the whole SW phenomenon and Lucas in particular.
 

What happened to Freedom of Speech???

Is Ass Kisser a rude word?

If it is this post will get censored also :rollseyes:

You know i used to like coming here to express opinions and get intelligent debate but if you cant express yourself without getting your WHOLE post deleted , well something smells in the state of Texas...

Who cares anyway...It wasnt like the fan boys wanted to hear a negative comment about Lord Holy Lucas...

I do expect some almighty forum watcher to slap my hand and say im a bad boy for typing the word ass (twice) in a post but what peeves me off is not that the post would of been altered, but the whole thing was deleted, thats just out and out utter sad...

Never thought that would happen here...

Just goes to say that what i think about people these days is pretty true, everyone is so politically correct humans are turning into CLONES...there is the Star Wars Ep II tie in, just to keep on topic...:rollseyes:

Learn something new every day...


Harlequin
 

Black Omega said:


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Originally posted by King_Stannis
Almost every negative review of these last two movies has taken swipes at the fans and what sheep they are, while then going on to give an gobjectiveh review.
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And then later from King when I asked about these reviews.


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you won't find any links to reviews where a reviewer calls a fan an idiot.
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I'll just leave this discussion at this and move on to more interesting things.


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i dont' understand? what's the correlation?

when a reviewer says, in so many words, that fans will go to a movie regardless of the critics' negative reviews', he in essence is calling them a sheep, no? how else do you explain that behavior?

you are the one who (mistakenly, i believe) said that i said reviewers were calling people idiots. (phew!)

but don't worry, i forgive you for taking me out of context. i've had a lot of practice with that this morning.
 

Re: What happened to Freedom of Speech???

Harlequin said:

Who cares anyway...It wasnt like the fan boys wanted to hear a negative comment about Lord Holy Lucas...


thank you for redeeming my earlier and controversial comments on lucas haters and their maturity level.
 

Re: What happened to Freedom of Speech???

Harlequin said:
Is Ass Kisser a rude word?

If it is this post will get censored also :rollseyes:

You know i used to like coming here to express opinions and get intelligent debate but if you cant express yourself without getting your WHOLE post deleted , well something smells in the state of Texas...

Who cares anyway...It wasnt like the fan boys wanted to hear a negative comment about Lord Holy Lucas...

I do expect some almighty forum watcher to slap my hand and say im a bad boy for typing the word ass (twice) in a post but what peeves me off is not that the post would of been altered, but the whole thing was deleted, thats just out and out utter sad...

Never thought that would happen here...

Just goes to say that what i think about people these days is pretty true, everyone is so politically correct humans are turning into CLONES...there is the Star Wars Ep II tie in, just to keep on topic...:rollseyes:

Learn something new every day...


Harlequin

Ass. Kisser? (Ass. = Assassin) :) ..ok. that one sucked.

Never saw the post but maybe it was because you flamed someone?
 

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