[Planescape] Squaring the Circle Redux - OOC (Full)

[Ashy]

Sounds like it is all good for the DM! Lots ta work with!

 

[Serpenteye]

Having three proxies in the party would be... interesting, to say the least.

Speaking of threes, this party seems to be pretty determined to follow the Rule-of-Threes: three females, three males, three goods, three neutrals, three primes, three planars....

Now if we could only convince Donner to become lawful and one of the others to adopt a faction, we could have three lawfuls, three chaotics, and three factions and three non-faction members too!

Isn't a proxy some kind of substitute for a deity? Or are there many different kinds and degrees?

 

[Sephiroth no Miko]

Valorous is players guide to faerun? Basically it doubles damage on a charge.

Nope, didn't see it in there (looked under the weapon special abilities section in the Magic Items chapter... unless it's elsewhere in the book?). :\ You're going to have to find the source before I can approve it (providing I own the sourcebook).

Found the saddlebags of providing though, thanks.

That's sort of lame that I don't get to use the 28 point buy method on his stats just cause he's a nonhumanoid. Where does it say that?

It doesn't... In fact, the DMG doesn't say anything about using a point buy system for cohorts at all. Many DMs just let PCs use the same array they gave PCs (or perhaps a slightly weaker array) if it is a playable race--after all, it's no fun to have a cohort that has straight 10s across its abilities. If it's not, the DMG pretty much assumes the player uses the stats straight out of the MM if it is a monster-- like a dragon or a unicorn-- and assigns a LA based on the creatures abilities. (See the section titled "Special Cohorts" in the DMG, p. 199 for this).

The complication lies in that you're trying to combine your mount with your cohort. A special mount uses the base MM statistics for that animal, and gains special bonuses to make become stronger, faster, tougher than its usual type. Being a cohort simply lets it reach an even higher ECL than it otherwise could, whether through class levels or templates, provided your Leadership score was high enough. There's nothing about it that guarantees what sort of scores the cohort receives.

Animals also have some peculiar limitations, such as they can't have an Int higher than 2, and usually no Cha higher than 6 (or 10 if dire). This messes up the system of distributing points, which wasn't made for this sort of thing.

However, if you want some fluidity in creating Grizzle's stats, and want to make him more elite than the usual dog, I'm willing to offer this compromise: He receives as ability score adjustments: +4 Str, +4 Dex, +4 Dex, -8 Int, +2 Wis, -4 Cha. He receives 28 points to spend on buying scores, but you must spend at least 2 points on Cha to give him at least a 6 Cha after racial mods. Whatever his Int is after racial mods is his Int, as opposed to what he receives would have received on the special mount table, though his minimum Int must be at least 2. Would this be acceptable to you?

I'll drop the fighter levels and keep the winged template. The winged template makes him a magical beast, and recalculates his hd, etc. as a magical beast (full bab, etc.).

It does change his creature type into magical beast but does not change HD, BAB progression, saves, skills, etc. If you look at the example creature they have for the template (a winged dog, actually) you will notice all that remains the same as base creature type-- animal. Its creature type is magical beast only for determining what sort of spells and effects can affect it.

I listed improved trip cause that's how I think they list it under the wolf.

The wolf's trip ability is not the same as the Improved Trip feat, actually. The feat allows the creature an extra attack on a successful trip while the the trip ability... well, here's the text for it from the MM:

Trip (Ex): A wolf that hits with a bite attack can attempt to trip the opponent as a free action without making a touch attack or provoking an attack of opportunity. If the attempt fails, the opponent cannot react to trip the wolf.​

Essentially, it lets the wolf (or riding dog) make a trip attempt at the same time it makes a bite attack and the wolf (or dog) doesn't provoke an AoO when doing so.

Natural heavyweight is from Planar handbook, doubles carrying capacity and some bonuses to skills and some penalties to others. A heritage feat.

Ah. Well, since it is a heritage feat, your winged dog would have to come from a world with heavy gravity... which is rather at odds with its winged nature. The only plane with heavy gravity that comes to mind is the Elemental Plane of Earth. Grizzle can't have the winged template and have this feat as well. Sorry. :\

 

[Ferrix]

That'll happen ;-)

 

[Ferrix]

Alrighty, since my brain is sort of off in left field at the moment you want to write up Grizzle for me?

Drop the winged template and add back those fighter levels. This would make it all that much easier for me.

Are the animal companions all set except for having one too many?

 

[Sephiroth no Miko]

Isn't a proxy some kind of substitute for a deity? Or are there many different kinds and degrees?

A proxy is a powerful, hand-picked servant of a deity, and can be a celestial or mortal (or anything else the deity wants, really ). They are often imbued with extra abilities to help them carry out their duty.

 

[Sephiroth no Miko]

That'll happen ;-)

Eh? Did I miss something?

 

[Ferrix]

I'll find the valorous property, it's in one of those FR source books, races of faerun or something. Will figure it out when I go back home and report back on that issue.

 

[Ferrix]

Eh? Did I miss something?

Donner doesn't so much fit in the lawful profile, he's all too often seen his old adventuring parties disappear from failed cooperation to think it's such a useful thing.

 

[Sephiroth no Miko]

Alrighty, since my brain is sort of off in left field at the moment you want to write up Grizzle for me?

Drop the winged template and add back those fighter levels. This would make it all that much easier for me.

If you'd like. I will try to get something posted for your perusal by tonight.

Are the animal companions all set except for having one too many?

They should have a Ref save of +8, not +9, but other than that and having one too many dogs, they're good to go.