Proclamation

[TheAuldGrump]

That's where this RPG (D&D) came from my man

I LOVE the wargaming aspect of 3.5 - miniatures required? Excellent! Defined combat rules? Excellent! Now I just need some mass combat rules I can fall in love with.

Honestly, if the wargaming aspect of RPGs turn you off - D&D may not be the game for you. Sure there are lots of folks who do it, but IMO they are swimming upstream.

Too right!

And I know plenty of people who treat their wargames as RPGs (and have a great time doing so).

My Proclamation in return:
I am a Game Master.
I run games.

The Auld Grump

 

[The Shaman]

I am a Game Master. I don't run wargames, I run RPGs.

But what if your RPG is a wargame?

Does this make me a WarGame Master?

 

[Steverooo]

...but how about trying to find a way to get roleplaying back in D&D

I didn't realize that he had left!

"Hey, wait! Come back!"

Try this:

GM: "What do you do?"

If the player answers "I play D&D, and my character will...", then he is not roleplaying. If he answers "I...", then he is roleplaying!

There! See how easy that was?

 

[Tyler Do'Urden]

I am a Gamemaster.

I run wargames with roleplaying in them, and roleplaying games with wargaming in them. I run both, and I run neither. I am the walrus. I am wearing my underpants on my head.

Oh, and my name is a killing word.

Coo-coo-ka-chu.

(In all seriousness, it's the combination of wargaming tactics AND roleplaying that keeps me playing D&D, Star Wars, and other d20 games, rather than changing to another system geared more towards "pure" roleplaying- which in my experience always seems to end up drifting into hack-and-slash anyway, only with a less interesting tactical experience. On top of that, what's wrong with speaking with a German accent when you're moving your panzers, or pretending you're William Shatner when you're playing Star Fleet Battles? It's a game, folks, it's supposed to be fun!)

 

[The_Universe]

I am the walrus. I am wearing my underpants on my head.
Coo-coo-ka-cuthulhu.

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! THE DEEP WALRUS COMETH!

 

[James Heard]

On top of that, what's wrong with speaking with a German accent when you're moving your panzers, or pretending you're William Shatner when you're playing Star Fleet Battles? It's a game, folks, it's supposed to be fun!

I dunno, commentary about sending my soldiers to concentration camps wasn't particularly fun, and I was thinking more about some dude in a poorly sewn Starfleet uniform spitting on people in Klingon while doing his power sheets in SFB Which, I suppose, is more fuel for the "moderation" rally. Everything's ok in little bits, but Nazi jokes aren't funny and I find the idea of engaging in wargames with guys spitting on me in their pajamas to be a little nonplussing.

 

[Akrasia]

... rather than changing to another system geared more towards "pure" roleplaying- which in my experience always seems to end up drifting into hack-and-slash anyway, only with a less interesting tactical experience....

Thank God my experiences with 'other systems' have been radically different than yours.

 

[jmucchiello]

I'm just shocked that everyone fed the troll.

 

[The_Universe]

I'm just shocked that everyone fed the troll.

Some of us were trying to feed it *alchemists fire* though.

 

[pogre]

I'm just shocked that everyone fed the troll.

An ironic post if there ever was one

I did not see it as trolling, but sharing a point of view that is debated in about 30% of the threads around here - I think there is an undercurrent of frustration in folks who do not dig the wargaming aspects of D&D, but yet this is the RPG the vast majority of folks play.

The degree of complaint varies from "I'm a little tired of my players refusing to interact with NPCs and just wanting to make a Diplomacy check" to "I thought we had evolved beyond all of this hack and slash nonsense" somehow insinuating there is bad fun.

D&D fits my game playing style well - I'm a gamist with a bit of narrativist thrown in using the Forge's lingo, but a storyteller type could be quickly frustrated by this game. It can be done - it's just that the rules do not lend themselves to it.

OK - now I'm babbling. But in short, I do not think Mythus was trolling. In fact, sometimes I'm in the first camp complaining about my players not wanting to roleplay more.