R&C Art, the Women of R&C

[Piratecat]

Mialee is female?

- Ron ^*^

Holy crap. Ron, I haven't seen you since I stopped reading rec.games.frp.dnd way back in 1999. You were shining light of interest in a vast sea of babble. Nice to see you around.

 

[Darkwolf71]

Too bad for you.

I may criticizes feminism, I agree with them on such stupidity. Fantasy needs to grow up and open to the non-white, non-male, non-nerd.

I embrace my white-male-nerdiness. I have no problems with chainmail bikinis.


In all seriousness... when's the last time we even saw a chainmail bikini in D&D... why is it even a topic?

 

[Rel]

But this argument can be so easily turned around to support chainmail bikinis!

If I've done anything to cause you to think that I'm against chainmail bikinis, I offer my most sincere apologies.

I'm perfectly fine to just let the game be a game. It needn't reflect anything about my personal morals or ethics. I'm not a supporter of killing people for money but I wouldn't hesitate to play an assassin in an RPG (or to run a game for an assassin PC). I'm not a supporter of vigilante justice but I wouldn't hesitate to have my barbarian cleave open the skull of some bandit that stole his horse.

If the game appeals to me visually, if it "LOOKS GOOD" as you say, well then dandy. I'll buy it (I mean assuming the mechanics don't suck). If the game doesn't appeal to others because it doesn't "look good" then I guess they won't buy it. And if the game company that produces this game decides to change their art to appeal to a different or broader segment of the market...well I suppose we'll see how successful they are.

 

[Werebat]

Holy crap. Ron, I haven't seen you since I stopped reading rec.games.dnd.rpg way back in 1999. You were shining light of interest in a vast sea of babble. Nice to see you around.

LOL, someone else who remembers me? That's two in one day! I feel like I'm home!

What handle did you go by then?

I've read quite a few of your posts here, so I'm curious.

- Ron ^*^

 

[Werebat]

If I've done anything to cause you to think that I'm against chainmail bikinis, I offer my most sincere apologies.

I'm perfectly fine to just let the game be a game. It needn't reflect anything about my personal morals or ethics. I'm not a supporter of killing people for money but I wouldn't hesitate to play an assassin in an RPG (or to run a game for an assassin PC). I'm not a supporter of vigilante justice but I wouldn't hesitate to have my barbarian cleave open the skull of some bandit that stole his horse.

If the game appeals to me visually, if it "LOOKS GOOD" as you say, well then dandy. I'll buy it (I mean assuming the mechanics don't suck). If the game doesn't appeal to others because it doesn't "look good" then I guess they won't buy it. And if the game company that produces this game decides to change their art to appeal to a different or broader segment of the market...well I suppose we'll see how successful they are.

Fair enough. And I don't personally feel that the gaming community is really an effective place to effect positive change for fathers in our horrid "family" court systems. It's just difficult not to comment when people wax wistful about the plight of the American female, victimized by fantasy art.

I see it's my turn to change a diaper. Heh, little cutie. I'm hella lucky to have met his mother. That'll be all for now.

- Ron ^*^

 

[frankthedm]

I mean, Hennet's buckles make as much if not less sense than a chainmail bikini, but I've got no real problem with that because (a) it looks good on him and (b) it conveys the message that all the time you spend in the morning putting on full plate, this sorcerer spends idly buckling himself.

To me the meassage it conveys is I'm hiding unspeakable deformities that only can be kept from writhing with dozens of leather straps.

 

[Reynard]

Finding Nemo.

To be fair, as good a movie as Finding Nemo is, the whole point of the movie is that the father is too nurting, too timid and he spends the entire movie "de-mommifying" in order to be a better dad.

You are right -- the media tends to focus on male nurturing only as a background for the "main event" of righteous violence. But this constructed image hurts real fathers in the same way that the image of the big-boobed chainmail bikini heroine hurts women.

I do not agree that these things "hurt" as a function of what they are, rather than as a reflection of how individual people see them because of ways they already are.

I have children. I just fed and rocked my infant son to sleep. My love for him goes well beyond a willingness to stop and punish anyone who would harm him. I hardly think that I am an unusual father.

I am a dad, too, and I love my kids more than anything in the world. But that doesn't mean I have to be less masculine in order be a good dad -- just smarter than I was when I was 25.

Yet when I am hauled into family court I am treated to a system that automatically assumes that I am a devious, violent, child-molesting ogre -- and that my ex is a helpless, faultless, long-suffering "real" parent. Why is this?

In absolute seriousness, I am so sorry you had to go through such a thing. But the idealized portrayal of things masculine and feminine didn't cause your situation -- it was a culture that vilifies and attempts to emasculate men that did that to you.

Men and women are different. This fact cannot rightly be used to justify the dearth of images of male nurturing any more than it can be used to justify the dearth of images of female (insert traditionally masculine positive quality here).

It can't be used to justify their inclusion either. Indivual artists will create the images they desire and the consuming public will determine what fits our wants, needs and dreams. People like to complain about the images of men and women we see, but if you look closely, you see lots of different kinds of images, different stereotypes and archtypes. Spend an evening watching network TV. Forget the shows. Watch the commercials. You'll see how diverse our unrealities really are.

 

[Piratecat]

What handle did you go by then?

I've read quite a few of your posts here, so I'm curious.

- Ron ^*^

Lord knows, it's been a while. Iceweasel, maybe? I didn't post much. I mostly lurked.

In any case, welcome.

(And sorry about the hijack, folks!)

 

[Rechan]

In all seriousness... when's the last time we even saw a chainmail bikini in D&D... why is it even a topic?

The "Chainmail bikini" is not just a specific bikini made of chainmail, but a general notion of 'revealing clothing that serves little purpose aside from titillating, while it looks as though it might prevent the barest scrap of protection."

The last time I saw that in D&D? The 4e PHB cover.

 

[The Ubbergeek]

The "Chainmail bikini" is not just a specific bikini made of chainmail, but a general notion of 'revealing clothing that serves little purpose aside from titillating, while it looks as though it might prevent the barest scrap of protection."

The last time I saw that in D&D? The 4e PHB cover.

To me eyes, it was more or elss neutral... could be more practical, but it was at least workable and usefull.