R&C Art, the Women of R&C

[Henry]

I still kind of like Ari Marmell's invented reason why adventurers, or rather Drow in particular, wear such revealing outfits: It's a 'screw you' outward expression that they're so dangerous, and they're so powerful, that they're intentionally wearing less to show that they don't consider you a threat.

 

[Rechan]

I still kind of like Ari Marmell's invented reason why adventurers, or rather Drow in particular, wear such revealing outfits: It's a 'screw you' outward expression that they're so dangerous, and they're so powerful, that they're intentionally wearing less to show that they don't consider you a threat.

You mean like Spartans?

 

[Doug McCrae]

I'm quite happy with the change, despite being a militant anti-feminist. I prefer realistic art to that which is simply there to please the eye (not that I saw anything wrong with the Chainmail Bikinis... I'm also fervently anti-PC. The only people who can offend you are those you give the power to offend you.)

You're offending me right now.

Feminism = "the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men."

 

[adembroski]

You're offending me right now.

Despite the fact that I have no clue who you are, and you have no clue who I am. I am not offending you, you are allowing yourself to be offended by my words. Your fault, not mine.

Feminism = "the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men."

A poor definition to say the least. If that's what feminism actually was, I'd be all for it.
(To get into why I believe that would probably take us out of the realm of what's within the rules of the forum, which I think we're treading the fine line against as it is. I still consider this conversation to this point philosophy rather than politics, but we're dangerously close)

 

[Wyrmshadows]

I'm quite happy with the change, despite being a militant anti-feminist. I prefer realistic art to that which is simply there to please the eye (not that I saw anything wrong with the Chainmail Bikinis... I'm also fervently anti-PC. The only people who can offend you are those you give the power to offend you.)

Victimized by racism, sexism, homophobia or religious intolerance much?

As someone who has been on the receiving end of racism (being half African American) and religious intolerance (being non-Christian) I can say that even though sometimes folks go too far....(No "HO, HO, HO" at Christmas because the word "HO" is offensive to women and some of the discussion of the word goddess being sexist like I saw on this site) but the sentiment is IMO well intended and more positive than negative. Extremes in all things tend to come to a natural balance and IMO these excesses will work their way out of our collective consciousnesses eventually.

As social creatures we are impacted by others whether we want to be or not. This is especially in childhood and adolescent years. As an adult I have the strength of ego to tell others to "piss off" but when I was a kid, it was hard a lot of the time. The fact is that the whole PC thing is a desire to set things right in regards to the sensitivities of those who don't have the strength to just "shrug it off and move on."

Not everyone is as tough as you are.



Wyrmshadows

 

[adembroski]

Victimized by racism, sexism, homophobia or religious intolerance much?

I'm a straight Irish-American male... doesn't that make me incapable of being a victim?

As someone who has been on the receiving end of racism (being half African American) and religious intolerance (being non-Christian) I can say that even though sometimes folks go too far....(No "HO, HO, HO" at Christmas because the word "HO" is offensive to women and some of the discussion of the word goddess being sexist like I saw on this site) but the sentiment is IMO well intended and more positive than negative.

As social creatures we are impacted by others whether we want to be or not. This is especially in childhood and adolescent years. As an adult I have the strength of ego to tell others to "piss off" but when I was a kid, it was hard a lot of the time. The fact is that the whole PC thing is a desire to set things right in regards to the sensitivities of those who don't have the strength to just "shrug it off and move on."

The PC thing is an attempt to soften the language so that we don't confront truths because we only communicate in delicate language incapable of offense. Sometimes, offense is necessary to make the appropriate point.

Not everyone is as tough as you are.

Those people who think they're not are selling themselves short, or have a victim complex. Society continually tells blacks/latinos/homosexuals/women that they're victims, and they start to believe it. A close friend of mine, nearly full blooded Dakotah Sioux, was being told the other night over and over that he was a victim by a guy who couldn't believe that he had no anger toward whites and that he didn't consider himself oppressed. The guy actually told him "You're very smart, but you need to regain your integrity".

This was of course from a white guy.

 

[Rel]

Alright, alright. Let's take the confrontation down about a notch and a half.

 

[Reynard]

In all seriousness, why no artwork of nurturing males? ... The list goes on and on, and yet we never see these people in D&D artwork. Do they not exist? How unrealistic is THAT?

In all seriousness, do you ever see this in any form of entertainment when it doesn't immediately precipitate the slaughtering of the loved ones of said nurting males, leading to a bloody ramged of vengeance (or something similar).

It is nice and all to suggest that men and male oriented entertainment can be cuddly and emotional, but it just ain't so. Masculinity is as palpable and reala thing as femininity, and as much as we, as indicual loving husbands and fathers, can share our softer sides with those we are close to, the fact is that male entertainment is build around boobs and blood. Always has been, always will be and it isn't a bad thing.

That isn't to say that D&D can't make like other forms of entertainment that appeal to both, or at least try. But it is a rare gem of a film or book or video game that resonates equally with men and women, and even those still resonate differently with men and women.

 

[Doug McCrae]

A poor definition to say the least.

It's definition 1 from www.dictionary.com.

From wikipedia:

"Feminism comprises a number of social, cultural and political movements, theories and moral philosophies concerned with gender inequalities and equal rights for women."

From Merriam-Webster:

"the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes"


I think I'll continue to use the dictionary definition of the word rather than adembroski's definition, whatever it is. You might not understand what I mean but at least everyone else will.

 

[adembroski]

It's definition 1 from www.dictionary.com.

From wikipedia:

"Feminism comprises a number of social, cultural and political movements, theories and moral philosophies concerned with gender inequalities and equal rights for women."

From Merriam-Webster:

"the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes"


I think I'll continue to use the dictionary definition of the word rather than adembroski's definition, whatever it is. You might not understand what I mean but at least everyone else will.

Allow me to clarify, since you seem insistent on creating a battle over this... Actually, I'll simply reiterate: I'm militant anti-Feminist... not anti-Feminism.

Modern feminists do not push political, economic, and social equality. They push favortism toward middle class white women. They quote statistics like "Woman make 70-some odd cent's on the dollar that men make" without acknowledging the fact that women tend to major in various humanities fields, while men major in things like engineering... women enter fields that pay less, knowing full well in advance that they pay less, and yet there is some sort of a social crime? I don't buy that. Furthermore, they attempt to criminalize normal dating habits between men and women, to the point where asking a woman on a date if you happen to ugly a jailable offense. They want companies to be required to hire and equal number of men and women, even in heavy industrial fields. They want men and women in equal numbers on the battlefield, even though to do so the military is required to set lower standards for its soldiers, seamen, marines, and airmen.

They don't push for equal opportunity anymore, they want equal outcomes, regardless of ability or effort.

You can't make me feel like a bad guy here because I _am_ for equality. True equality... in other words, may the best man OR woman win. Not giving women special advantages or making normal male behavior a crime.