Races that have too much LA...

[frankthedm]

With those extra feats, he's got stuff like Precocious Apprentice, Spellcasting Prodigy, Bloodline of Fire, Spell Focus, and I think Practiced Spellcaster, among other things, that altogether give him a save DC of 19 or 20 for his Burning Hands spell, and a Spell Compendium spell called Fireburst or somesuch (with that durned Precocious Apprentice feat) that does something like 8d4 or 8d6 fire damage, AS A 1ST-LEVEL WIZARD OF 3RD-LEVEL EQUIVALENT. In an area, IIRC, but I don't have Spell Compendium so I can't check to see if I remember that little detail correctly.

Tell that cheater Practiced Spellcaster only allows one to add a maximum of thier hit dice to thier caster level {up to 4] for determinine how strong the cast spells are. That does not grant him any more spells or higher level spells. All the versions i saw seemed clear enough on that.

 

[Sithobi1]

Also, Precocious Apprentice is essentially a house rule if the DM wants the campaign to be higher powered, Spellcasting Prodigy as revised in PGtF only gives bonus spells, not increased DCs, and Fireburst only affects people within 5 feet of you...so this seems to be a problem with the player, not an overpowered race(though the template might be overpowered...)

 

[Darklone]

Fireburst Reserve feat or the spell?

But yeah, agreeing with the others: This build stinks.

 

[wildstarsreach]

An elf's measly bonuses are not even close to worth a LA. Heck, they're pretty underpowered compared to all of the LA 0 races, IMO. I don't care what Savage Species says on the matter. Those are just general guidelines anyway. If they had intended that to be errata to give elves a LA, they would have said so.

Half elves are even worse. Under 3.5, I would never play a half elf except for flavor or storyline. Either a human or and elf for me.

Personally, I think that the LA +X should be a permanant xp penalty. At higher level the gulf will show but at lower level ie a 2nd level drow wizard would probably get squashed with his 4th level party unless he plays exceptionally chicken heart. It's possible but under my suggestion at 10th level the wizard would be 9th and at 20th he would be either high 17 or low 18.

 

[wildstarsreach]

What about a feat to take to negate one +1 of an LA. This would not be allowed from a class bonus feat but one of the level based feats.

 

[Sejs]

What about a feat to take to negate one +1 of an LA. This would not be allowed from a class bonus feat but one of the level based feats.

It'd be too strong of a feat.

Take an aasimar, for example. Essentially, for a single feat, I'm getting a +2 wis and cha, energy resistances, a spell-like ability, and possibly simple/martial weapons.

LA buyoff still costs you a level, but you get to do it when levels arn't terribly expensive so it's worth what you're getting. Just a feat would be too cheap a price to pay.

 

[EyeontheMountain]

Okay, the search bonus is hard to quantify but the ability to be automatically proficency in all martial weapons is a single D&D feat. Maybe a strong one, but it has been plausibly included as one. The ability to be proficient in 4 martial weapons is trumped by many classes and their proficiency with all martial weapons.

Yes, but then again, how many times does this ability add on to a class that doesn't get those weapon proficiencies? Answer= a lot. That ability makes the following base classes stronger than for non-elves.

Bard, cleric, druid, rogue, sorceror, wizard. Some fine classes there.

A longbow is a lot better than a cruddy light crossbow. And a longsword is superior to all simple weapons. Plus all the skill bonuses they get in high-use skills is really nice. Elves should be toned down a bit, but probably are not worth a LA+1.

 

[EyeontheMountain]

A human who is not in a martial class could use his bonus feat to take Milita and have proficiency with many more weapons than a elf could.

Campaign world limited, and only first level, unless I misremember. Plus, once you ahve longsword and composite longbow, exactly what other martial proficiencies do you actually need?

 

[Moon-Lancer]

glaive, maybe a greatsword.

I think elves are a bit under powered so for balance sake, I think if they get a class that gives all martial weapons, their prof feats get bumped up to greatbow and the elven weapons like courtblade. thats fair right?

Then i think they would balanced with humans then.

The choice is a powerful thing, and saying because they get proof in martial feats that it somehow compares to a chosen feat, even if its 4 feats is silly. Why would anyone ever choose a martial prof when they can choose an exotic prof? what’s the point of martial prof when many of the classes give all martial profs? Its like saying the fighter is over powered because he gets 20 or so feats at first level that are really just prof feats. They are the weakest feats in d&d. If an average feat was 1, a prof feat would be around a .2 or .3

 

[EyeontheMountain]

It'd be too strong of a feat.

Take an aasimar, for example. Essentially, for a single feat, I'm getting a +2 wis and cha, energy resistances, a spell-like ability, and possibly simple/martial weapons.

LA buyoff still costs you a level, but you get to do it when levels arn't terribly expensive so it's worth what you're getting. Just a feat would be too cheap a price to pay.

Aasimar is the prime reason I do not allow LA buyoff. At least how it works in UA. Spending a couple thousand xp that you expect to get back by level adjusted xp is just plain wrong for the abilities you can get from most LA +1 or +2 races.

And on the other hand, if you ahve +3 or more LA, buying it off is not an option unless you go seriously epic.

I like the idea of LA buyoff, but it needs to be rebalanced with +1 and +4 LA.