Range Increments

[Camarath]

Um, guys, the whole idea of "range increments" is an abstract approximation to begin with. That being the case, why can't you accept the abstract approximation of measuring center-to-center? It's quick, easy, and you don't need to engage in long pointless arguments like this one.

Quick, easy, and not supported in the rules. Why can't you just accept that the abstract approximation of the point of origin of your attack is at the corner of your space? And, if you think that the argument is pointless then IMO you should not participate.

 

[Stormrunner]

Because it leads to both unnecessary complications/inconsistencies, and snarky flame-posts like the one you just made.

If you're measuring corner-to-corner, then in the following situation:
[me][square][square][target]
It would take 15' of movement for me to move into the target's square, but by your method of measuring ranges the range would be only 10'. OR maybe up to 20.615', depending on which corners you measure from. Measuring center-to-center, it's 15', period.

 

[Ranger REG]

Your Campaign, Your Rules.

For me personally, the corners are only used to determine line-of-sight with regards to cover, and only that. The center-to-center measurement give use the approximate distance.

If you want to settle this, ask the Sage.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The center-to-center measurement give use the approximate distance.

Approximate, sure. But "greater-than or less-than 59 feet" needs more than an approximate measure

If you want to settle this, ask the Sage.

Oh, come on. When was the last time a Sage quote actually settled an argument around here?

-Hyp.

 

[Len]

Hmm... Page 175 of the PHB says that you measure from center to center when calculating distance for moving or ranged attacks. Of course, this is just an aside as it's explaining the different method of calculating distance for spell areas, but there it is.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hmm... Page 175 of the PHB says that you measure from center to center when calculating distance for moving or ranged attacks. Of course, this is just an aside as it's explaining the different method of calculating distance for spell areas, but there it is.

Well, huh.

And it doesn't look like cut'n'paste from 3E...

... and since the corner rule was logically inferred, rather than explicitly stated, I can't even call "Primary Source!"

Damn it.

-Hyp.

 

[Ranger REG]

Oh, come on. When was the last time a Sage quote actually settled an argument around here?

He doesn't, but send him an email and either he'll respond back or put his answer in a future Sage Advice column.

What have you got to lose? A point off your Intelligence ability score?

 

[Pagan priest]

Otherwise, you might as well do away with the grid altogether, measure distances from the position of the weapon on your mini (which will lead to a preference for minis that hold their weapons straight out in front of them rather than, say, overhead), and whip out your programmable calculator to run the physics equations for ballistic flight path and air resistance.

Unless you are dealing with variable air density (for example, an intervening mist or fog) why bother with a programmable calculator? The equations aren't all that difficult.

 

[Hardhead]

Eh, that means that throwing a dagger will always invoke an AoO or have a range increment. I don't like it, so I'm house ruling it.

 

[Paul_Klein]

Eh, that means that throwing a dagger will always invoke an AoO or have a range increment. I don't like it, so I'm house ruling it.

This is a really good point, and it bothers me. And the Point Blank Shot feat (+1 to attack within 30 feet). What if I'm using a ranged weapon with a range increment of 30 feet and have the Point Blank Shot feet, and I'm shooting at a target 30 feet away? I get a +1 from PBS but a -2 from range penalty.

No that the "where do ranged attacks originate from" debate has been settled, do you believe that the stated range increment should be house ruled/changed to "up to and including" the listed range increment, i.e. for a range increment of 10 feet 11-20 is -2, 21-30 is -4 and so on?