Ranger TWF and Drawing Weapons

[drnuncheon]

A ranger trying to pick locks with their off hand, for instance suffers the normal penalties for performing a skill check with an off hand.

Nitpick: a character - any character - trying to pick locks using only their 'off hand' is due for some hefty penalties anyway as lockpicking is generally a two-handed skill. (Pick Pockets would be a better example.)

J

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

Nitpick: a character - any character - trying to pick locks using only their 'off hand' is due for some hefty penalties anyway as lockpicking is generally a two-handed skill. (Pick Pockets would be a better example.)

Good point--of course, if you're going to pick a lock one-handed, it's even worse it it's your off hand, right

 

[Cougar]

I am actually impressed that someone used pedant in some form three times in ONE post. Awesome.


Edited because I am stupid. Thank you.

 

[Zhure]

Unless, that is, you think you can kill someone by slamming your hips into them with your scabbarded short sword.

IYKWIM, AITYD

 

[Kae'Yoss]

It's obvious that you have little patience for people who disagree with you on such issues whether or not they back their arguments up with reasons. To quote from your original post,
"I'd tell him that he should not listen to it because the person who originally stated it that way is a rules-lawyer" without addressing the arguments at all.
"I'd call him a rules-lawyer of the worst sort and grab my dice bag." again demonstrating a refusal to discuss opinions differing from your own and resorting to ad-homonem attacks rather than logical reasoning.
"And calling them rules-lawyers is not names-calling, it's simple truth" And apparently, an excuse for not listening to someone, and picking up your dice bag (whether to leave or hit them over the head with it isn't clear from your original post).

Would it be rules lawyering to insist that Rangers can't use their virtual ambidexterity and TWF on double weapons? To make skill checks with their off hands? How about in heavy armor? The difference between asking what the rules say in these issues and asking what it says WRT drawing two weapons as an MEA is a matter of degree not a matter of kind.

I would be far more disturbed by a player who said "You shouldn't listen to that, it's just rules lawyering--rules lawyering of the worst kind!" and then got up in a huff to leave the table or hit me over the head with his dice bag than by a DM who insisted on the distinction between fighting with two weapons and drawing them. One may well be pedantic and insignificant (although that pedantic insignificance offers players good reason to actually spend feats to get ambi/TWF instead of taking a level of ranger). The other is immature overreaction.

I can have good and long discussions on rules and always consider everyone's point. Unless their only argument is "it's the letter of the rules".
If they back it up with something else, I'll have no problem discussing with them.

They say: "Rangers must use two MEA to draw both weapons, since (insert something here, I really can't think of a reason why they sould not be able to draw two weapons in one go)" I'll discuss it with them. But if they say "Rangers must use two MEA to draw both weapons because they don't explicitly get the feats", there's no point in argumenting - beyond that the spirit of the rules should be more important than the letter of the rules (if it's otherwise, they're probably a rules-lawyer, or have not much fantasy).
If someone says "A Wizard 20 who takes a level of Fighter can chose an epic feat because they already are very experienced" (that's another big argument where the letter of the rules are weird) I'll discuss with them. If they only say "Wizard 20 /Fighter1 gets an epic bonus feat since the rules, if you read them literally, say so" I'll not even bother.

And I never intend to hit any one with my dice bag. If you knew what "Horse-Killer" means you'd also know why I referred to my dice bag. And anyway, it was a Joke anyway (why should I hit someone with a dice bag if I wanted to hurt them? There are better ways to do that)

 

[jontherev]

IYKWIM, AITYD

Huh?