Spoilers Angel 03/04

[WizarDru]

True. In any case I do hope that Joss considers running a "Faith, the Rengade Vampire Slayer" as a show idea. Cause I think her and Wes would make an excellent pairing. (Plus two former Buffy alums, traveling the globe, fighting demons, has some appeal. )

Won't happen. The esteemed Ms. Dushku has already signed a deal for her own sitcom this fall. Of course, until last night, I wouldn't have been interested in the idea.


I think it was pretty obvious that Angelus was looking at a win/win situation. No matter who won the fight, he'd be in perfect shape and ready to kick them down. Even in the worst case, he'd have Faith dead and he'd be little worse off (since he's fast enough to evade the Beast...who isn't supposed to hurt him, anyways). Trolling for information? Sure he was. Angelus needs to know who his rivals are, too.

Scorch has a pretty good theory about the Slayers that I think is right on the money. With enough time and the right resources, they can KILL ANYTHING. They may not be able to win the first fight, but they can find a way to kill virtually every opponent. They have 'the gift of death', as the First Slayer called it. It's not just about raw physical power, it's about hunting the nastiest things to ever walk the earth.

 

[IceBear]

Yup, you're right it's Angelus (I just checked out a spoiler thread and saw he gets his soul back in a couple of episodes and thus he doesn't have it now)

Oh well, it was a fun theory

IceBear

 

[Malificent]

Am I the only person that has been disappointed with the direction that Angel has taken? It seems so...soap operaish. Ever since Darla showed up with Angel's baby. I miss the original focus of the show - one souled vampire trying to achieve redemption by helping those who can't help themselves.

In season 3 and season 4, they've totally moved away from it.

It's probably just me. I've also been absolutely loving Buffy Season 7, so when people talk about how much better Angel is, I always end up wondering what I'm missing about the show.

 

[WizarDru]

Yup, you're right it's Angelus (I just checked out a spoiler thread and saw he gets his soul back in a couple of episodes and thus he doesn't have it now)

This is me, slapping you. That was kind of a freebie, given spoiler, but don't spoil anything real, please. I don't expect future spoilers here, just spoilers for this episode.

 

[RatPunk]

Yup, you're right it's Angelus (I just checked out a spoiler thread and saw he gets his soul back in a couple of episodes and thus he doesn't have it now)

Oh well, it was a fun theory

IceBear

And this is me holding you down so WizarDru can slap you...

Please, please, PLEASE no spoilers for anything but the current episode!!

 

[WizarDru]

In season 3 and season 4, they've totally moved away from it.

It's probably just me. I've also been absolutely loving Buffy Season 7, so when people talk about how much better Angel is, I always end up wondering what I'm missing about the show.

Well, I'm loving Buffy's current season, as well. I personally think both shows are doing MUCH, MUCH better this season. I nearly dropped Angel last year, at some points, and Buffy became very hard to watch, as well. I think both shows lost their focus while Joss' attention was elsewhere...only reinforcing, in my opinion, that Joss is the driving force behind the show.

Angel is trying to distance itself from Buffy, and it's darker attitude shows that. The mixed up personal relationships are getting a little thick, though, I'll grant you that.

When people are talking about the relative merits of the two this season, I think part of the problem is that, for the first time, Angel has presented an apocalypse that actually feels apocalyptic, something that Buffy has never truly attempted on the same scale. Blotting out the sun and a reign of fire over one of america's largest cities is a Big Deal (tm). Mind you, I expect that now that the sun's back, they're going to disappoint me by not really showing any change to the world outside (despite the hundreds/thousands of deaths in the previous few days).

Buffy, on the other hand, is wrapping up things very neatly, which I like. The show will have a clean ending, I think, and is very aware of it's need for closure. It also seems to have gotten some of the fun back into it, something that was dramatically missing last year, which seemed like one long, unending wake for the show.

 

[IceBear]

Sorry guys, but I just assumed that it was a given that Angel was getting his soul back just the how it was going to happen (and I didn't mention any of the how - I kinda skipped it myself). It's just that after arguing for my theory so hard I wanted to make sure that I set the record straight about it ASAP.

IceBear

 

[drothgery]

When people are talking about the relative merits of the two this season, I think part of the problem is that, for the first time, Angel has presented an apocalypse that actually feels apocalyptic, something that Buffy has never truly attempted on the same scale. Blotting out the sun and a reign of fire over one of america's largest cities is a Big Deal (tm). Mind you, I expect that now that the sun's back, they're going to disappoint me by not really showing any change to the world outside (despite the hundreds/thousands of deaths in the previous few days).

Of course, a few score vampires died in a matter of seconds when the sun came out, I'd imagine.

 

[KnowTheToe]

Completely forgot about the false prophecy thing. Good point. I go back to my "She's a minion/IS the First" theory.

Actually, another thing that could support Angel being Angel is the fact that when Loren read him he said it was Angel. They never did explain how he was wrong (though that could have been the entire purpose of Cordy's spell)

IceBear

That is actually the exact peice of evidence that led me to think you were correct, or at least the piece that topped the cake..

 

[Nightfall]

Probably more than few Drogy.

Kid, I missed that one, since I lost Buffy after the whole WB/UPN move. Still I think though it would be nice to see Buffy use some unordothox weaponry instead of stakes and the occasional medieval weapon. Faith strikes me she'd definately do that. Lead pipes, couches, heck even go so far as the whole "The One" and use a motorcycle on a demon if necessary.