Stacking Empower.....

[Anubis]

(A+(.5*X))*base, X=number of empowers, A=0 if there are other metamagic feats affecting damage applied, 1 otherwise. Note that this works for zero empowers, as well. To add other metamagic feats, set A=0 and come up with another equation for that feat.

Sorry, as an engineer, I'm drawn to math discussions like a moth to a flame.

As an added bonus feature, a quote:
"There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who do not."

(edit: forgot other feats might effect it. Doh.)

Close (I think), but no. You guys make this WAY too complicated! (Plus, I don't think it'd work like that either way . . .) Lemme think on this for a minute . . . I use the darn thing all the time . . .

 

[Anubis]

ROFL!

Why does a programmer get Halloween and Christmas mixxed up?

Because 31 OCT = 25 DEC.

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my futile attempt to a contribution to thread here...

MAXimized Spell with X number of Empowers

MAX + X(0.5 * avg.damage) = total damage

60 + 17(0.5 * 35) = 357.5, round down to 357.

The 35 comes from 10d6, where the average roll of a d6 is 3.5 .

YEAH! That's it! That's the formula!

Alrighty then . . . Damn . . . Beat me to it . . .

 

[Bodah]

I have a some what related question, although I must admit its fairly newbie =/

I do not understand at all how you can stack empower in the first place? why are you allowed to do this? can someone elaborate on this? As far as I am aware Empower Spell is a feat..so whats with all the stacking it and such?

 

[Uller]

No one has explicitly pointed this out yet so I will: Metamagic feats apply ONLY to the base spell, not the stacked. So the benefit from all your empower spells have no bearing on whether or not you have maximized in the equation.

So a maximized empowered X 17 fireball damage is

60 (from the maximized) + .5 X 35 (average fire ball damage) X 17 = 357.5 (before rounding down).

 

[kreynolds]

I do not understand at all how you can stack empower in the first place?

Because the rules say you can.

why are you allowed to do this?

Because they were designed for that very purpose.

As far as I am aware Empower Spell is a feat..so whats with all the stacking it and such?

From the FAQ...

Can you add a metamagic feat more than once to any particular spell? For example, double Maximize Spell, or double Extend Spell?
You can apply most metamagic feats more than once. Just stack up the costs, and remember to apply the additional effects to the basic spell. For example, if you extend a spell twice, you get 3 times the duration, not 4 times the duration. (Each extension adds 100% of the spell's base duration.)
There are a few metamagic feats that are constructed so as to make stacking worthless or pointless. You cannot, for example, get more than maximum damage out of a spell by maximizing the spell more than once. (If you want to send the spell's damage through the roof, use Empower Spell multiple times.) Heighten Spell already allows you set the spell's effective level anywhere you want (and can manage), so there's no point in applying the feat more than once.

 

[mikebr99]

I have a some what related question, although I must admit its fairly newbie =/

I do not understand at all how you can stack empower in the first place? why are you allowed to do this? can someone elaborate on this? As far as I am aware Empower Spell is a feat..so whats with all the stacking it and such?

And if you go looking for any thread that Anubis starts... there will be plenty of debates about this exact topic.

 

[apsuman]

No one has explicitly pointed this out yet so I will: Metamagic feats apply ONLY to the base spell, not the stacked. So the benefit from all your empower spells have no bearing on whether or not you have maximized in the equation.

So a maximized empowered X 17 fireball damage is

60 (from the maximized) + .5 X 35 (average fire ball damage) X 17 = 357.5 (before rounding down).

Not excatly.

A maximized empowered fireball would do

60 (from the maximize) + .5 X 17 X (10d6).

So, you have to roll the 10d6, you don't just get to grab the average.


g!

 

[Uller]

Not excatly.

A maximized empowered fireball would do

60 (from the maximize) + .5 X 17 X (10d6).

So, you have to roll the 10d6, you don't just get to grab the average.


g!

Sure...I was just trying to show the average damage.

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

I can't belive I missed that one. Yes, you would still have to roll the damage dice.

The Maximized would give you 60 points, then take the 10D6, roll, round down, and multiply by 17, or however many times you use Empower.

You have to do it in that order, too, as Empower modifies only the base spell. Otherwise, if you roll an odd damage, you would end up with an extra point of damage for each Empower. Again, an old argument.

 

[Thanee]

No one has explicitly pointed this out yet so I will: Metamagic feats apply ONLY to the base spell, not the stacked.

Uhm? I thought my 2nd post (4th total) does address this, actually.

Bye
Thanee