Star Trek cast blames the bosses

Rl'Halsinor said:
Berman talks about fatigue. Well Berman and Braga are the fatigue. This franchise has been in their hands a long time and at every new inception of Trek the audience became smaller as it went. Now I could be wrong, but I have never heard either of them take blame for any of Trek's demise.

And you'll never will...
 

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Hand of Evil said:
It is the responsibily of an employee to identify problems and issues to suggest ideas to the improvement of processes and efficiency.

Yes, but it is not the responsibility of the employee to make those issues and ideas known to the public. In fact, quite the opposite. Such stuff is generally supposed to be confidential.

Thus, it isn't really fair to ask, "Where were the actors?" You make it sound as if the actors should make their issues known to us, and that us not hearing much suggests they were falling down on the job, when the opposite is more true.
 

Umbran said:
Yes, but it is not the responsibility of the employee to make those issues and ideas known to the public. In fact, quite the opposite. Such stuff is generally supposed to be confidential.

Thus, it isn't really fair to ask, "Where were the actors?" You make it sound as if the actors should make their issues known to us, and that us not hearing much suggests they were falling down on the job, when the opposite is more true.
You are right, I am being too critical.

As my last post, I am not the best person to be discussing this I have come to realize, apples and oranges.
 

I frankly dont really believe in this fatigue factor. In USA Today, TV Critic Robert Bianco summed it up pretty well I think:

These are no longer the voyages of the Star Trek: Enterprise (UPN, Friday, 8 ET/PT), which ends its series run with a two-hour finale that features two guests from the more successful Next Generation, Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis. Enterprise won't be much missed, but before it goes — taking the franchise with it — let's get one thing clear. The show didn't fail because of Trek exhaustion. It failed for the same reason many shows fail: bad writing in general and an insufficiently developed premise in particular. Enterprise was less a show than an idea for a show, and you can only force so long a run out of that.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/criticscorner/2005-05-12-critics-corner_x.htm
 

Nice and neat and rebukes the Berman "fatigue" gambit. I don't think in the least that the Trek world is fatigued because you got a whole galaxy out there with so much to explore. But I still contend that it is Berman and Braga who are the fatigue here.
 

Hand of Evil said:
It is the responsibily of an employee to identify problems and issues to suggest ideas to the improvement of processes and efficiency. They even have suggestion boxes if you don't want to be known and offer a cash reward if used! I work for a good place...
Is it safe to assume this good place you work for is not Paramount studio or the Star Trek franchise headquarters, and that your boss is not Rick Berman?


Hand of Evil said:
But are we talking first few months or years. the best I can think on why one did not speak out was due to contracts that the actors sign have gag orders built in.
If I were a tyrant like Berman I'd do the same for all my employees. AFAIC, the series finale episode have been shot and she got her final paycheck, so Jolene is in no obligation to keep the gag order on.

As for fatigue, it's just an excuse for Berman to save face as he look for another work on Paramount or anywhere in Hollywood. IOW, he covered up the fact that this Paramount's legal frontman is no longer credited the creative genius he was during TNG, when he replaced Gene Roddenberry.
 

It's weird - in UK we're about 7 episodes into the season, and under Manny Coto's new direction with the Eugenics & Vulcan arcs the show has gone from the mostly unwatchable crap of seasons 1-3 to near-brilliance that captures what was great about the original series & Trek in general, a wonderful evocation of TOS, faithful to its roots... I'll be sorry to see it go, which I couldn't have imagined thinking before this season.
 

Heh, I think that everybody but Braga and Berman are blaming Braga and Berman... (Sort of like blaming the loss of the Titanic on the iceberg...) I wish that somebody had taken the show from their hands. I really liked the idea, and then they ruined it. Heck, I wanted to run a pre original series Star Trek game for years - slow ships, classic races as yet unencountered (do you really think that the first meeting with the Tellerites went smoothly?).

What I really want is a pre original series ST done by Strazinski...

The Auld Grump, or better yet, a new B5 series that does not have to worry about finishing the season...
 

myrdden said:
Suddenly, over the phone comes the sound of a jet flying by. "That's Brannon flying out of town," quips Berman. "The fans are chasing him with scythes."

Good call. Scythes have a crit multiplier of x4. :]
 

TheAuldGrump said:
Heh, I think that everybody but Braga and Berman are blaming Braga and Berman...

Even Manny Coto... his comment that, when he presented the idea of doing many shows that tied Enterprise directly into TOS, to which Berman replied "there are only like 3 fans of TOS left" made Berman look like the pointy-haired boss to me.

Chuck
 

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