Star Trek cast blames the bosses

S'mon said:
It's weird - in UK we're about 7 episodes into the season, and under Manny Coto's new direction with the Eugenics & Vulcan arcs the show has gone from the mostly unwatchable crap of seasons 1-3 to near-brilliance that captures what was great about the original series & Trek in general, a wonderful evocation of TOS, faithful to its roots... I'll be sorry to see it go, which I couldn't have imagined thinking before this season.

That's what makes it more painful. Coto's direction showed that Trek still had some life in it yet, and that made it more painful to see it go. If it ended about a year or so ago, and with the final episode that did air, I wouldn't have cared. But the fault lies squarely in the fact that Bermaga basically still wanted to keep doing TNG and had no fresh ideas left, while Paramount buried it on a third rate network with lousy Nielsens that was developing an audience that wasn't likely to be attracted to Star Trek.
 

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Vigilance said:
Even Manny Coto... his comment that, when he presented the idea of doing many shows that tied Enterprise directly into TOS, to which Berman replied "there are only like 3 fans of TOS left" made Berman look like the pointy-haired boss to me.
There is a little quote like that attributed to Braga from the production of First Contact. Apparently Brannon Braga wanted to get rid of Zephram Cochrane and make the inventor of Warp Drive a hot woman to be a love interest for Picard. The various advisors and consultants screamed bloody murder about the blatant continuity breach and Braga dismissed them with "Who gives a s***, only 1% of the fans will know OR care" and "You don't make a movie based on one episode." He was reportedly talked out of this reluctantly, the love interest became Lily Sloane, and the romance angle was toned down in later drafts.

I think a lot of the problem of the B&B era has been that Berman consideres continuity (and TOS) to be obstacles to overcome, and want flash-bang time travel and shoot-em-up episodes with big fancy superweapons, bigger and badder guns and ships every season, and lots of technobabble to provide convenient deus ex machinas, and none of that annoying plotting, and thinking, and those irritating story arcs that involve coming up with stuff in advance (like how they never even had an idea who "future guy"). Rick Berman was the kind of executive who ruined Firefly, Crusade, and now Enterprise.

It's not very likely, but my dream series is one set in the decades between Star Trek VI and TNG (like maybe the later missions of Enterprise-B?), as I always loved the movie-era uniforms and ships, with the series written and produced by Ronald Moore, Manny Coto and J. Michael Stracyniski, with maybe some more episodes done by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, DC Fontana, and Harlan Ellison. Berman/Braga completely out of the loop with regards to production, and as I'm sure JMS could do so well, an overarching plot arc to the entire series so that it actualy goes somewhere and they can have actual foreshadowing, and character development, and not feel like each big threat and huge nemesis is just a ratings stunt pulled out of nowhere.
 

Whereas Stracyniski (Good gravy I massacred his name!) considers continuity to be a major asset.

I have wanted to thump B&B since Next Gen. The only Trek I have liked in the last *mumble* years is DS9. There was even a minor attempt at a contiuous plot in the series.

The Auld Grump, okay, watching Kirk get hit by a bridge in Generations was fun... I never did much like Kirk...
 


mojo1701 said:
Oh, my...

Heh, it has to do with my father having been in the Navy - commanders like him get people dead. He would have been fine as a 1st officer, as captain...

Picard was closer to career Navy. Though one of my favorite lines in STtNG was Picard say 'I have never stated my opinions from behind a loaded gun.' - While standing in the command bridge of a heavy cruiser... :p

The Auld Grump
 

I thought it was brilliant. If they had made the last show as good as the rest of the season (which from what I saw I liked) The fans would be angry the show was canceled But since the last show reverted back to the traditional bad star trek. Who could disagree with canceling the show? :D
 

bolen said:
I thought it was brilliant. If they had made the last show as good as the rest of the season (which from what I saw I liked) The fans would be angry the show was canceled But since the last show reverted back to the traditional bad star trek. Who could disagree with canceling the show? :D
That made absolutely no sense at all. Besides, we're already angry that UPN cancelled the show.
 

TheAuldGrump said:
Heh, it has to do with my father having been in the Navy - commanders like him get people dead. He would have been fine as a 1st officer, as captain...

Yeah, I wouldn't want to serve under Kirk, but he's fun to watch! :D Picard is fun to watch too, though. Cisko & Janeway I found tedious, and Archer nearly as bad. Trip was the only fun guy in Enterprise. I agree w Blalock that the way they treated T'Pol was pretty abominable - screwing with characters is great _if_ you do other stuff too, like give them a chance to work through it (preferably by beating up bad guys Buffy-style).
 

I'm still hoping for a reboot sort of new Trek: re-envisioning the classic threads and epsiodes of TOS and starting each epsiode with an apologic slow roasting of B&B over a fire.

I don't think that I'd necessarily peg a "classic" Trek writer or anything to run the show. A fan, for sure, but I think as long as they were dedicated to making classic Trek for a new audience everything would be fine. That's essentially what B&B's problem is - not enough dedication or understanding about the essence of Star Trek. Well, that and the fact that they're low-talent hacks.

Anyways, for instance: What would a Star Trek revisited with say Spielberg in the Head Producer's office look like, or even Keven Smith (as long as he didn't slip up and make Star Clerks or let Affleck anywhere near it)? Could you toss a reboot of Star Trek in say a Wednesday night Prime Time slot if you could sucker a big name star of some sort to do series TV? Clooney as Kirk?

Just tossing out ideas, but it seems clear that Trek should at least be able to compete with Alias for viewers.
 


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