Star Trek: Section 31 ... THE MOVIE

[Ryujin]

I've just done some reading on the market share that Discovery has and I'll eat some crow on that. While not remotely my cup of tea, nor that of my Star Trek loving acquaintances, it's certainly doing well in the ratings. It lost one audience and found another, it would seem. Some also put it ever so slightly ahead of Strange New Worlds in success.

 

[Dire Bare]

I've just done some reading on the market share that Discovery has and I'll eat some crow on that. While not remotely my cup of tea, nor that of my Star Trek loving acquaintances, it's certainly doing well in the ratings. It lost one audience and found another, it would seem. Some also put it ever so slightly ahead of Strange New Worlds in success.

Thanks for eating that crow, but . . .

Your post implies that Discovery lost the traditional Trek audience in favor of an audience new to Trek . . . and that isn't really true either.

While certainly some long time Trek fans such as yourself do not care for Discovery and some of the other new Trek shows, PLENTY of long-time Trek fans . . . like myself . . . LOVE everything new Trek.

It's (IMO) that hardcore element of any fanbase who just really dislikes change, but yet craves more content, that do not care for Discovery. And not just, "Eh, not for me" but a sometimes angry condemnation of the show.

For whatever reasons you dislike Discovery, that's cool. But there are plenty of long-time Trek fans who are loving the show and feel that, while it doesn't always hit the mark, it's great Star Trek. And really, which Star Trek show from the past didn't ALSO have plenty of problematic issues? That's right . . . NONE of them.

 

[Hex08]

I like to think it was the events of Discovery season 2 that led to Section 31 being edited out of Starfleet's official history over the next 80 or so years. Then again, I like it when the Federation does things that a real political entity would so. It tethers the utopianism.

Except weren't they a secret organization in Enterprise, which predates Discovery?

 

[Hex08]

Discovery has persistent... let's say issues with its dramaturgy, but seasons 3 and 4 are a pure and clear contemporary restatement of the Star Trek ethos. Especially season 4, which resolves a Federation-threatening, err, threat with an act of interspecies communication rendered as spectacle.

Discovery is obviously contentious, but I am going to have to disagree with season 3 (the last one I watched) being a restatement of the Trek ethos. It may have been building up to that (I can't say for sure since I was done at the end of the season) but Burnham's behaviors and promotion was very counter to the Trek ethos and, to my mind, that's just the beginning of its issues. Also, The Burn happening because some kid screamed was just bad, bad writing.

 

[Zardnaar]

Thanks for eating that crow, but . . .

Your post implies that Discovery lost the traditional Trek audience in favor of an audience new to Trek . . . and that isn't really true either.

While certainly some long time Trek fans such as yourself do not care for Discovery and some of the other new Trek shows, PLENTY of long-time Trek fans . . . like myself . . . LOVE everything new Trek.

It's (IMO) that hardcore element of any fanbase who just really dislikes change, but yet craves more content, that do not care for Discovery. And not just, "Eh, not for me" but a sometimes angry condemnation of the show.

For whatever reasons you dislike Discovery, that's cool. But there are plenty of long-time Trek fans who are loving the show and feel that, while it doesn't always hit the mark, it's great Star Trek. And really, which Star Trek show from the past didn't ALSO have plenty of problematic issues? That's right . . . NONE of them.

Discovery wasn't great but I made it to season 4.

Couldn't get through Season 1 of TNG or Voyager. Skipped to S3 for TNG gave up on Voyager.

DS9 good trek.

 

[Koloth]

Discovery wasn't great but I made it to season 4.

Couldn't get through Season 1 of TNG or Voyager. Skipped to S3 for TNG gave up on Voyager.

DS9 good trek.

Agree on S1 of TNG. Too much Wesley saves the day. Why did they need the other 1000+ crew? I don't blame the actor, he had to do what the director says or quickly become a former actor. S2 was much better but with a different chief Dr. It found its stride in later seasons.
Voyager did get better once they were allowed to move out of the original area. It was odd that a ship at max warp couldn't seem to get out of the first 'country' they landed in. Had several episodes where it was Star Fleet values vs What needs to happen to get home.
Even DS9 was a bit off in S1 but yes, good Trek.
Enterprise got a lot better in S4 when they brought in new writers but by then UPN was a dead network broadcasting.

When I watched Section 31, first impression was it is a Mission Impossible type flick. Then things went worse. But it turns out the first impression was correct. It did set the stage for a Federation Mission Impossible series.

 

[Marc Radle]

Just noticed that Snarf’s icon is crossed out again? Did Snarf leave?

 

[MGibster]

Just noticed that Snarf’s icon is crossed out again? Did Snarf leave?

He's on a voluntary sabbatical.

 

[Marc Radle]

Got it!

I knew he was taking one a little while ago, but I thought he had recently come back

 

[pukunui]

Got it!

I knew he was taking one a little while ago, but I thought he had recently come back

He did, but it appears he has gone away again.

Discovery wasn't great but I made it to season 4.

I know a lot of people like to hate on Discovery, and note just because of its inclusiveness or whatever. I really enjoyed all 5 seasons of it. Yeah, the whole mycelial network thing was a bit silly, and there were some moments that were a bit heavy-handed or too on the nose (Glee got a bit like that too sometimes). But I liked how the day was saved as much by scientists geeking out in a lab and commanders sticking to their morals / virtues as it was by action heroes kicking butt. Classic Trek stuff.

I like Strange New Worlds even more, but I don't think Discovery was a bad show at all. (With my youngest, I showed her an episode of SNW and an episode of Skeleton Crew and then asked her which one she wanted to watch more of. She chose SNW!)

Couldn't get through Season 1 of TNG or Voyager. Skipped to S3 for TNG gave up on Voyager.

I first got into Star Trek when TNG was on S3 or S4. I went back and watched the earlier seasons at some point and yeah, they were hard to watch. I made the mistake of trying to start my kids off with TNG in chronological order. "Encounter at Farpoint" bored them out of their wee minds. I loved later TNG seasons and the movies. They were peak Trek for my adolescent self.

I hated Voyager. It felt too much like a soap opera. I can't even remember if I ever watched the whole first season or not.

Never bothered to watch Enterprise.

DS9 good trek.

I watched DS9 while TNG was still running, mainly because the TV network showed them back-to-back, I think. But I believe that I stopped watching DS9 after TNG finished because I just didn't like it as much. The whole being stuck on a space station thing wasn't as appealing to me as warping around the galaxy in the Enterprise.

That being said, some recent discussions on these very forums have got me wanting to give DS9 another go. It looks like the only place to watch it here in NZ is on Netflix. My oldest daughter has a subscription, but she can't remember her login details. (I want to watch it on my iPad, not on the TV where she's already logged in )