Star Trek cast blames the bosses

Too old, assuming we're keeping the "youngest starship captain" thing - which we should, IMO.
Good point. I admit though, I've spoken about this idea several times and he's the only name that's come to mind yet. So he'd have to be, what? Late 30s or so? Obviously the demographics in Star Trek are different than you'd see in a wet navy, but I just can't imagine anyone handing anyone a star ship much younger than that.
 

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My vote would be to have the next series start with the TNG universe at the time that Picard retires.

Then you could have a completely new crew on the Enterprise going forward (as opposed to an Enterprise of the past). It would also allow for occasional (read: during sweeps months) guest stars from TNG, DS9, and Voyager (although I'm not sure I'd really want to see any Voyager characters).
 


James Heard said:
Just tossing out ideas, but it seems clear that Trek should at least be able to compete with Alias for viewers.
That's what those network "suits" want, which is why FOX cancelled good shows like Firefly and John Doe. They want instant rating hits like ABC got for Desperate Housewives and Lost.

While genre shows are becoming more mainstream, they are not mainstream audience's major attraction. Network "suits" should know that. It takes a while to build up a fanbase, as long as the show's production keep cranking interesting stories week after week (and not the craps that Berman & Braga expelled from their brownholes).

Enterprise would have been good. Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevens proved that in the fourth season. The franchise needs to be reconnected with the fans they have lost, the way WotC brought back D&D 1e gamers to 3e. You bring back those fans, you can expand from there. Of course, some of them are too disgruntled to ever trust Paramount to roll out a decent Trek story. The first step Paramount must do to make reparation is to immediately replace the current head of the franchise, Rick Berman. Let's face it, the guy should have been gone a long time ago.
 

Ranger REG said:
That's what those network "suits" want, which is why FOX cancelled good shows like Firefly and John Doe. They want instant rating hits like ABC got for Desperate Housewives and Lost.

While genre shows are becoming more mainstream, they are not mainstream audience's major attraction. Network "suits" should know that. It takes a while to build up a fanbase, as long as the show's production keep cranking interesting stories week after week (and not the craps that Berman & Braga expelled from their brownholes).
I just don't agree with the assumption that Star Trek couldn't win that instant audience the brand managers want. I'm pushing for the reboot because it would have certain gimme elements:

1. Like it or hate it, people would watch to see what was done with it - just like every Star Trek series since TOS.

2. No reintroducing the characters. Whether or not you think that Kirk walks on water or not, I'm fairly certain that everyone but the very youngest viewers out there would instantly know what to expect. Character development, something that's pretty hit or miss in Trek, could be the focus.

3. Continuity. Unlike Enterprise, where B&B recklessly screwed with just about every canon element of Trek they could scrape their paws on, a reboot would essentially "fix" this. Especially if the writers took advantage of the possibilities in "knowing how the story ends", which could allow Trek to use some storytelling techniques that very few shows every get the opportunity to use effectively.

4. The time is ripe. It's a mythos reeling under mismanagement, if Universal leaves the brand as it is now who's to say what shape the thing is going to be in the next time they want to sink a few million dollars on a Trek movie gamble. Enterprise ticked enough fans off that if you'd ever manage a reboot it would just about have to be now.

5. Kirk must fly again. Like Superman or Hamlet, it would be a terrible shame if the role were never reprised. Unlike Enterprise, which seemed like they were toying with the audience sometimes with reprising elements of TOS (in a bad way), a reboot could revel in the flat out certainty that comes from shamelessly copying.

6. Old actors, different roles. Speaking of reveling in copying, the episodes of Smallville with Christopher Reeve in them before his death were interesting and much better done than seeing the aging Frakes try to be Riker again. Seeing Brent Spinner not being Data was nice in Enterprise. I think giving every old Star Fleet veteran a chance to visit as completely different characters is a neat idea. If Frakes wants to be the new Kirk's chef and show up every twentieth episode giving advice on the Romulan Cloaking Device.... :D

Anyways, a Trek that's not on the screen isn't garnering new Trek fans. Since the old Trek fans are getting...old this is a bad thing. How you can support your massive Trek-related sales each year with everyone getting older and each Trek show getting steadily smaller in audience and worse and worse I can't imagine. Why not go back to what worked in the first place? Of course I also think that UPN should take the claws off the brand a little and see if they couldn't argue/fund/beg/sell the whole idea to one of the larger networks. Being able to compete with Alias would be great, but coming on right after Alias or Lost on the same channel would be golden. Film it somewhere cheap, and run the animations from non-union sweatshops in Bollywood or something.

If anyone is associated with Universal: I'm willing to move, and I'd write the first two episodes for room & board ;)
 

James Heard said:
Anyways, a Trek that's not on the screen isn't garnering new Trek fans. Since the old Trek fans are getting...old this is a bad thing. How you can support your massive Trek-related sales each year with everyone getting older and each Trek show getting steadily smaller in audience and worse and worse I can't imagine. Why not go back to what worked in the first place? Of course I also think that UPN should take the claws off the brand a little and see if they couldn't argue/fund/beg/sell the whole idea to one of the larger networks. Being able to compete with Alias would be great, but coming on right after Alias or Lost on the same channel would be golden. Film it somewhere cheap, and run the animations from non-union sweatshops in Bollywood or something.
I dunno. Star Wars seems to do pretty well in between the decade-long gap between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy. Of course, it does help to continue the SWU through a series of novels.

Though I have often said that that Star Trek novels usually non-canon, it still does not diminish their entertainment value. A well-written Trek novels can impress a full season's worth of B&B Trek episodes.

As for UPN, they had the sweetest deal when they ordered Enterprise episodes this last season. Compared to the price of 3rd season's esisodes , they got a 2-for-1 special. Nah. My conspiracy theory rest upon the newly appointed chief of Viacom (parent company of Paramount, CBS, and UPN ... among other) -- Les Moonves -- who have some other ambitious plan for UPN. He want it and CBS to occupy two of the top three network slots.


James Heard said:
If anyone is associated with Universal: I'm willing to move, and I'd write the first two episodes for room & board ;)
Is there some closed-door dealing between Paramount and Universal that I do not know about? ;)
 

TheAuldGrump said:
The Auld Grump, okay, watching Kirk get hit by a bridge in Generations was fun... I never did much like Kirk...

Blasphemy!!!

Ok, just joking, and I even have to admit I always thought Spock was cooler than Kirk. Still, the way they bumped him off in Generations was just stupid.
 


I can definitely see the attraction of a re-imagining TOS, it worked brilliantly for Galactica IMO, and Trek would presumably have a bigger budget. Of course Andromeda originally _was_ based off Rodenberry's re-imagining of TOS, and was a good show in the first season or two until Sorbo ruined it. Andromeda had probably the best opening sequence I've ever seen, and fantastic opening credits - "The Long Night Has Fallen". It might be a vain hope but I'd love to see Trek take a similar approach to what Rodenberry intended, start off in the blasted ruins of the Federation, the Dream That Died, and follow a small cast of heroes as they strive to rebuild. You could have a few characters from earlier series in it, preferably as guest stars. Add in lots of baby-boomer angst about the loss of '60s innocence (ie The Federation) and '00s cynicism (a la Galactica) and you're golden. :)
 

Alternatively, a small band of heroic rebels fighting against the tyrannical Federation with its thought-control, "re-education centres" and impersonal bureaucracy (Star Fleet) a la Blake's 7, would be cool too. :)
 

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