Star Trek Picard extended Comic-Con trailer

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I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Somebody remind me who Lal is?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Somebody remind me who Lal is?
Data created an offspring (in an episode entitled, unsurprisingly, "The Offspring", Season 3, episode 16), named Lal. She suffers a "cascade failure" when she starts to experience intense human emotion (fear of being separated from her parent), and had to be deactivated.

This was well prior to the "emotion chip" designed by Soong surfaced, allowing Data to process emotions.
 

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
The last bit of star trek I really loved was First Contact. I never even finished watching Voyager. But I might have to now because I'm all on board for this.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Been a long time since I saw it. But, since she's an android, bringing her back isn't exactly a stretch.
It would require Data having done so off-screen, before his own death, and not having mentioned the fact that he did so before. That's... awkward.
 

Hussar

Legend
Why? We're talking several decades after TNG and the movies. That's a fair bit of tech development. It's not like someone else couldn't have rebuilt her.

It's not likely, true, but, it's not exactly a stretch either. Heck, someone decides to tinker with Borg Tech and uses this android shell to house stuff. Poof, Lal is back.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Why? We're talking several decades after TNG and the movies. That's a fair bit of tech development. It's not like someone else couldn't have rebuilt her.
Why would anyone rebuild Lal, specifically? She was important to Data. Data is gone. There's no emotional reason to bring back Lal.

In terms of technology - remember, we are talking about an android whose positronic brain was unstable and catastrophically failed. Not a sound technological basis on which to build something. If you really wanted to bring back an android, you'd resurrect Data in B-4s body, and not have to stretch much credulity to do it. B-4 was simple, but at least stable.

I can understand bringing back a fan favorite or two (like Riker and Troi) just because. But a character that existed in one episode, and was only really important to another charcter.. who is currently dead? Not so much.
It's not likely, true, but, it's not exactly a stretch either.
I'm saying that conceptually, it is a stretch. There is no obvious reason to do this. So, now you have to start coming up with (possibly tortured and lame) justifications for the event happening. Why? Just to say you did it? What's the compelling ploit or emotional hook to it?

If it matters, the actress who played Lal (Hallie Todd) is not listed as being in the show.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Or simply another Borg freed from The Collective, with no specific connection except to the former Locutus.
 

Hussar

Legend
Why would anyone rebuild Lal, specifically? She was important to Data. Data is gone. There's no emotional reason to bring back Lal.

In terms of technology - remember, we are talking about an android whose positronic brain was unstable and catastrophically failed. Not a sound technological basis on which to build something. If you really wanted to bring back an android, you'd resurrect Data in B-4s body, and not have to stretch much credulity to do it. B-4 was simple, but at least stable.
Hrmmm, there is only one sentient machine in the Federation and that's Data. He built a copy of himself (more or less) that didn't work, but, is still built based on the most advanced positronic brain in existence. Two or three decades go by and someone thinks, "Hrmmm, I wonder if I could make that work and create a SECOND truly sentient machine intelligence."

Not exactly a huge stretch. Considering you've basically only got two choices - B4 or Lal - if you wanted to recreate Dr. Soong's work.

Now, to be fair, I don't think it's Lal. I agree that it most likely isn't. I'm just saying that it's not as much of a stretch as people seem to think.
 

MarkB

Hero
It's not as though sentient AIs are a stretch technologically in the Federation. Heck, leave a holodeck running for more than half an hour and you stand an even chance of at least one character in there spontaneously achieving free will. No need to dig up old prototypes.
 

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