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Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

A few thoughts on the new episode:

1: Reminds me of some of the old episodes where non-Starfleet characters wore insanely ridiculous costumes. And the ones where Picard plays over-the-top characters. It was silly, but Star Trek has always been silly at times. Though it's particularly weird when you remember that Picard is actually supposed to be French.

2: I guess Rios is NOT a hologram. Too bad. I liked that idea. But I don't think you can be a hologram and have someone surprise inject you with hormones.

3: So maybe we were thinking of the wrong member of Picard's Motley Crew being an AI. Is Dr. Jurati a Synth? (Like Soongh's ex-wife?) Did Commodore Oh reprogram her like whoever did the Mars Synths? Or did she just (as is implied in the episode) give her some kind of proof that this all needs to be stopped?
 

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How is it that one of the most famous people in the Federation (and one who had just had a widely publicized interview that was critical of Starfleet) was able to pull off such a ridiculous disguise and not be recognized?
I dunno, take someone like Meg Ryan (hasn't been in anything I've seen in years) and put her at a costume party in, I dunno, Winnipeg. Put her in the SAME costume as Picard. It probably wouldn't matter if she'd just been on the View. Most people would probably not recognize her.

Besides, Picard was on an interview critical of Starfleet. Notorious on Earth, I'm sure, but does anyone in Freecloud care about that?

I mean, it's certainly risky, but it's not impossible that no one there would notice him. Silly bit of episode, though, I agree.
 

Raunalyn

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3: So maybe we were thinking of the wrong member of Picard's Motley Crew being an AI. Is Dr. Jurati a Synth? (Like Soongh's ex-wife?) Did Commodore Oh reprogram her like whoever did the Mars Synths? Or did she just (as is implied in the episode) give her some kind of proof that this all needs to be stopped?
The latter...she says that she's seen what's going to happen and she's terrified.
 



Ryujin

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I suspected she was working for Commodore Oh several episodes back when she showed up at Picard's villa after mysteriously having somehow gotten a Romulan disrupter from a highly trained assassin.
At the time that looked convenient, but could have been fobbed off as taken from one of the assassins Picard shot through the doorway (if I'm remembering correctly). Now, not as sure.

(EDIT - OK, quite sure that she was injected into the situation)
 

Mort

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I suspected she was working for Commodore Oh several episodes back when she showed up at Picard's villa after mysteriously having somehow gotten a Romulan disrupter from a highly trained assassin.
The second Picard met her, something seemed off. At first I thought maybe I was reacting to the actress (Didn't like her in The Newsroom) but then I thought, no, the character is clearly hiding a bunch and is being played like she has a secret agenda.
 

Mallus

Hero
I think it's pretty clear that Dr. Jurati is being used by Oh and is, or at least was, exactly what she appeared to be until the Commodore co-opted her. Agnes is not a very good spy & assassin, hence the psychological crisis as she was carrying out her mission. I'm fairly sure she has no training and simply scooped up a dead assassins gun at the chateau.

But I'm not sure where you go with the character from here. She's recently come into a lot of guilt to process and/or atone for, and given how much guilt the rest of the crew has been hauling around for years, they probably won't be much help, coping-wise.

Is this going to end in a climatic spaceship battle followed by a climatic group therapy session? Signs are pointing to yes...
 
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Mort

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I think it's pretty clear that Dr. Jurati is being used by Oh and is, or at least was, exactly what she appeared to be until the Commodore co-opted her. Agnes is not a very good spy & assassin, hence the psychological crisis as she was carrying out her mission. I'm fairly sure she has no training and simply scooped up a dead assassins gun at the chateau.
I think that's likely, though she seemed to know a lot more than she was telling in her initial meeting with Picard too.

Her actions are pretty final though - and unless the show goes through some extreme shenanigans - the rest of the crew will know exactly what she did - interesting to see how the show comes back from that!

But I'm not sure where you go with the character from here. She's recently come into a lot of guilt to process and/or atone for, and given how much guilt the rest of the crew has been hauling around for years, they probably won't be much help, coping-wise.

Is this going to end in a climatic spaceship battle followed by a climatic group therapy session? Signs are pointing to yes...
Yeah, even more than Discovery, every single character is packing some serious background baggage.
 

MarkB

Legend
Her actions are pretty final though - and unless the show goes through some extreme shenanigans - the rest of the crew will know exactly what she did - interesting to see how the show comes back from that!
That was my initial thought, but while she's no spy, she is a gifted computer scientist with a specialisation in artificial intelligence. It's conceivable that she could fake the medical records and override the EMH.
 

Mort

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That was my initial thought, but while she's no spy, she is a gifted computer scientist with a specialisation in artificial intelligence. It's conceivable that she could fake the medical records and override the EMH.
Certainly true.

But Rios (and even more so Raffi) are written as the paranoid type. Rios is likely to have a backup camera or equivalent.

Well, we'll find out next week. After getting used to the Netflix model, it's nice to have some anticipation for a change.
 

MarkB

Legend
Certainly true.

But Rios (and even more so Raffi) are written as the paranoid type. Rios is likely to have a backup camera or equivalent.

Well, we'll find out next week. After getting used to the Netflix model, it's nice to have some anticipation for a change.
Yeah, I rather suspect that even if she does get away with it initially, the game will be up once Raffi stops hiding in her room.
 

Maybe the EMH will finally have a chance to shine.
I keep thinking, "Geez. If I had a therapist pop up every time I'm feeling overwhelmed, I sure as hell wouldn't shut it off."

... But then, people on TV always seem to think that Talking About Things is BAD.
 

MarkB

Legend
2: I guess Rios is NOT a hologram. Too bad. I liked that idea. But I don't think you can be a hologram and have someone surprise inject you with hormones.
That part isn't so problematic. Holographic characters are often used as sexual partners, so being able to react realistically to having fluids injected into them is a basic design feature.

However, fooling both a security scanner and alien super-olfactory-powers would probably be going a little too far.
 

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
That part isn't so problematic. Holographic characters are often used as sexual partners, so being able to react realistically to having fluids injected into them is a basic design feature.

However, fooling both a security scanner and alien super-olfactory-powers would probably be going a little too far.
Was there a mention of how many senses that being had?
 

MarkB

Legend
Was there a mention of how many senses that being had?
Only that he could tell whether you were lying, what you'd had for breakfast, and who you last had sex with.

Then again, even super-sense-of-smell aliens need to relax sometimes. I don't think there's ever been any on-screen discussion of holosuites' olfactory capabilities, but presumably they're built to be as capable of simulating scent as they are at stimulating the other four senses, and they must be built to accommodate a wide variety of alien sensory capabilities, given that they'll be serving clientele of many species.
 

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
I thought they didn't have them because they got destroyed.

Sure, Bajor had an issue. But, the Romulans have many, many planets outside of their homeworld. And, they had more than a couple of years to evacuate their homeworld as well. You'd think they'd have the capacity that after more than 14 years on a planet, they would at least be able to pave the streets and not live in shanty towns.

I guess it would have been too expensive to make more than one set. :D
The expenses of this show has been reported in the hundred of millions...how the frak did it get that far? How reshoots were done reportedly up to Eps #7 How may Executive Producers does a show need? Given the fact that SH had rented Prime Trek items at the beginning of the show, and later reduced their use as the show continued. How much money was CBS charging SH?
 

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
Only that he could tell whether you were lying, what you'd had for breakfast, and who you last had sex with.

Then again, even super-sense-of-smell aliens need to relax sometimes. I don't think there's ever been any on-screen discussion of holosuites' olfactory capabilities, but presumably they're built to be as capable of simulating scent as they are at stimulating the other four senses, and they must be built to accommodate a wide variety of alien sensory capabilities, given that they'll be serving clientele of many species.
Andddd...just review the scene with the Freighter captain--that humanoid individual has over 1253 olfactory senses. Seriously? The term overwhelming should be in effect.
 

MarkB

Legend
Andddd...just review the scene with the Freighter captain--that humanoid individual has over 1253 olfactory senses. Seriously? The term overwhelming should be in effect.
1253 olfactory receptor genes. Which is a pretty meaningless number, since we don't really know how many genes are directly related to olfactory senses in humans.

If the line had been about actual olfactory receptors, that number would be ridiculously low. Humans have around 6 million receptors, while dogs have up to 300 million.

EDIT: With some googling, apparently we do know how many olfactory genes humans have - apparently it's in the mid-hundreds. Which would make the Beta Annari's senses only maybe 3-4 times more discerning than our own.
 

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