Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

Again, sure, I can see it, kind of. Except that you've got things like the Klingons, who have the resources of hundreds of worlds - including numerous vassal races - for a thousand years before the humans first moon shot.
Yet, Klingon ships are significantly less advanced than human ships. Note, sure, the Enterprise is a Federation ship, but, it was built by humans. None of the other federation races had empires even remotely the size of what the Klingons controlled.

So on and so forth. It's so ingrained into the basis of the show that it's almost never questioned - of course humans are just as advanced as everyone else. We're obviously smarter, more creative, and better than everyone else, so, of course we're on the top of the heap. :erm:

It's an attitude that you find in genre fiction all the time. It's such a part of genre fiction that it doesn't get questioned, it's just assumed to be true.

It's an assumption that's crept in over the decades.

TOS had a stronger implication that humans reached space by themselves and had a bit of a rocky start (war with the Romulans). The humans were able to cobble together the Federation from the individual worlds that they found had spaceflight, but were working alone. The Klingons were another expansionistic culture with a growing border with the Federation. More a Soviet stand-in than a Mongol horde.

TNG introduced the origins of the Kahless about 1500 years prior. I think TNG was also the point where it was stated/implied Shakespeare was a shipwrecked Klingon, but that might have been DS9.

STE introduced the Klingons as the major power in space (belligerent but passive/seeking good fights) and having D6/D7 style craft already.
 

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It's not necessarily the age of the empire, sometimes it's just luck of inventions. A prime example in our real world would be China compared to Europe.

China was technologically more advanced then Europe for centuries, but within a few decades Europe not only caught up but far surpassed China in the late 19th and 20th centuries.

Sometimes Empires stagnate, especially when they are dealing with a lot of infighting (China and Asia at times) within their own Empires and not really dealing with threats beyond their own borders...while other newcomers (Europe, North America) are eagerly chomping at the bit trying to catch up and eventually surpass the ones who were originally ahead.
 

Again, sure, I can see it, kind of. Except that you've got things like the Klingons, who have the resources of hundreds of worlds - including numerous vassal races - for a thousand years before the humans first moon shot.
Yet, Klingon ships are significantly less advanced than human ships. Note, sure, the Enterprise is a Federation ship, but, it was built by humans. None of the other federation races had empires even remotely the size of what the Klingons controlled.

So on and so forth. It's so ingrained into the basis of the show that it's almost never questioned - of course humans are just as advanced as everyone else. We're obviously smarter, more creative, and better than everyone else, so, of course we're on the top of the heap. :erm:

It's an attitude that you find in genre fiction all the time. It's such a part of genre fiction that it doesn't get questioned, it's just assumed to be true.

Resources are one thing, certainly, but slaves don't innovate.

As stated in my above posted video, it's long been canon that ships tended to be crewed largely by a single race, though the classes of ship seemed to be across all of the major Federation contributing races. (Pity that the Four Years War is no longer canon.) The Intrepid, for example, was a Constitution Class starship, like Enterprise, but was crewed entirely by Vulcans. "Our" shows tend to follow human ships, because we're (mostly at least ;) ) human but you have Vulcan shield technology, Andorian phasers, Tellarite engines...... The best of all races' tech goes into the ships used by all. A rising tide lifts all boats.

And, "If words were water, the Humans would drown us all."
 

Episode Three is out...

Another flashback...where Picard whines about Starfleet being changed. Seems like bad whinning writing. Guess the folks running the show just want us to believe "Starfleet has changed", when it is in fact PICARD that has changed.

And the ''action" of old Picard vs the assassins...really? Yea, I know his housekeepers are ninja demi gods, but really?

Oh, and look....Hugh.
 

It was another great episode, shows that Starfleet has some weak leadership. Picard is definitely slowing down, looks like they are purposely showing that he's getting old rather than just Sir Patrick Stewart getting old. I'm liking the assembling of a ragtag crew, Raffi and her love/hate feelings toward Picard. As much as she blames him for losing her job in star fleet she can't help but help him. Now they also know that Commodore Oh is corrupt, I expect she'll have her comeuppance at some point.

I'm looking forward to the next episode.
 

My first reaction to the third episode is: I would totally watch a series that's just Picard and his two alien ninja housekeepers running the vineyard. Mostly slice-of-future-French-life, with the occasional episode where Jean-Luc's former friends and enemies drop by. Like one where Q shows up and forces Picard to go fox-hunting, but the fox is really a transmogrified Mr. Worf.

"Captain, I protest! I am not... prey". Seriously, "The Fantastic Mr. Worf-Fox" is guaranteed Emmy-bait.

Anyway, they're finally in space and Picard finally said the magic word. I'm a little unclear about what Soji's official job is - creating a new culture for the freed Borg using her cultural anthro PhD skills? Is that right? Loved the Romulan Tarot deck, which of course has a Soji/Dahj card. Also loved the multiple emergency hologram assists with different exaggerated accents.

Didn't really need to see a blade protruding from Rios. That needed to be either more or less absurd.

edit: is it next Thursday yet?
 
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I was surprised they were sloppy enough to leave the Romulan prisoner with his acidic suicide capsule. Picard's literally seen one of them used before, to kill Dahj, and given Laris and Zhaban's background, they should probably know the stuff's exact chemical formula, and which molar or surgically-implanted cheek pouch it's typically stored in.
 

The good guys always act dumb to advance the plot, otherwise Laris and Zhaban would have pulled out some super advanced Romulan tech and removed the acid bomb AND read the guys mind.

The Tarot deck, which of course has a Soji/Dahj card "What Twin are you?" See another clue. Two twins...light/dark, good/evil....DATA/LORE. After all if they were both perfect good angel daughters of Data there would be no story.

So what about the income inequality? In the 24th century with no money. Billionaire Picard owns a huge villa and a vineyard. Poor Raffi lives in a double wide Fed-Trailer with polyester curtains and a redwood deck. But WHY? Does not everyone on 24th century Earth get a mansion if they want one? Plus like a billion square miles of land?

And Rios Solo is around Earth.....and he is one of them greedy, dirty Fergengi-like money humans. Except there is no money in the Federation......right? So, how does he ''get paied" ? Even if he gets money, where and how does he spend it?
 

So what about the income inequality? In the 24th century with no money. Billionaire Picard owns a huge villa and a vineyard. Poor Raffi lives in a double wide Fed-Trailer with polyester curtains and a redwood deck. But WHY? Does not everyone on 24th century Earth get a mansion if they want one? Plus like a billion square miles of land?

And Rios Solo is around Earth.....and he is one of them greedy, dirty Fergengi-like money humans. Except there is no money in the Federation......right? So, how does he ''get paied" ? Even if he gets money, where and how does he spend it?

I have similar questions. I don't mind them coming up with reasons, I can imagine quite a few possibilities, but I hope it's not just a matter of "it's more fun to write stories with money troubles and scoundrels."
 

The good guys always act dumb to advance the plot, otherwise Laris and Zhaban would have pulled out some super advanced Romulan tech and removed the acid bomb AND read the guys mind.

The Tarot deck, which of course has a Soji/Dahj card "What Twin are you?" See another clue. Two twins...light/dark, good/evil....DATA/LORE. After all if they were both perfect good angel daughters of Data there would be no story.

So what about the income inequality? In the 24th century with no money. Billionaire Picard owns a huge villa and a vineyard. Poor Raffi lives in a double wide Fed-Trailer with polyester curtains and a redwood deck. But WHY? Does not everyone on 24th century Earth get a mansion if they want one? Plus like a billion square miles of land?

And Rios Solo is around Earth.....and he is one of them greedy, dirty Fergengi-like money humans. Except there is no money in the Federation......right? So, how does he ''get paied" ? Even if he gets money, where and how does he spend it?

Perhaps it comes down to choice.

I know if I had the choice between Picard's mansion, and something else, I'd probably choose something a little smaller.

I'd probably not choose a double wide trailer, but I don't need a HUGE house or mansion. In fact, given the right circumstances, if I were living on my own, a decent apartment with one bedroom, a restroom, and a main kitchen/living room area (so, 3 rooms total) could be enough.
 

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