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Star Wars: reboot/remake?

Eltab

Hero
If it did happen, and it was happening right now, I'd ignore any issues of gender or ethnicity, and cast the actors that I feel fit the feel and attitude and tone of each character best.
Star Wars never wrote its own 'deep history', but thinking about the process of going from one homeworld of origin to galaxy-spanning race plus meeting aliens, means SW society is inherently diverse.
Repeated scenes where the actors are of Amerind, Aborigine, Oriental, Arabic, Western, &c origin and the characters never notice any difference between appearances nor say anything about it, would be its own powerful statement. (See also Uhura from Star Trek.)
IRL, I would prepare a one-page "press release" describing in very broad terms what likely happened, with a little bit of astronomy thrown in. When people ask "But what about...?" I refer them to the release. Repeatedly. Don't get drawn into ambushes or controversies; they never help sell tickets.

The only two characters for whom looks matter is Luke and Leia: when he eventually says to her "... and my sister has it ..." the actors had better 'look like family', not look like their forefathers spent generations on opposite ends of the galaxy - because instead of being a big reveal and deep emotional moment, the audience will break up laughing.
 

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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Star Wars never wrote its own 'deep history', but thinking about the process of going from one homeworld of origin to galaxy-spanning race plus meeting aliens, means SW society is inherently diverse.
Repeated scenes where the actors are of Amerind, Aborigine, Oriental, Arabic, Western, &c origin and the characters never notice any difference between appearances nor say anything about it, would be its own powerful statement. (See also Uhura from Star Trek.)
IRL, I would prepare a one-page "press release" describing in very broad terms what likely happened, with a little bit of astronomy thrown in. When people ask "But what about...?" I refer them to the release. Repeatedly. Don't get drawn into ambushes or controversies; they never help sell tickets.

The only two characters for whom looks matter is Luke and Leia: when he eventually says to her "... and my sister has it ..." the actors had better 'look like family', not look like their forefathers spent generations on opposite ends of the galaxy - because instead of being a big reveal and deep emotional moment, the audience will break up laughing.
Yeah, even if they weren’t siblings you want them to be foils, and similar appearance helps that.

But again...I don’t want a reboot lol

Although an alternate version, I’d love.

Put that thing in the public domain and watch people make beautiful things with it!
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
And what do you think about a "spin-off" anything about "same universe but a different galaxy"?
so like, same physics and the FOrce, but like no ties to jedi and sith, entirely different philosophies, etc?

IDK, seems easier to just make a new thing, at that point, no?

Could be fun, thogh
 


Ryujin

Adventurer
I'm with Morrus; Space Opera: A New Franchise.

The Force isn't unique in Science Fantasy. Magic and Psionics have been part of it for as long as it has existed. If someone wants to attach the new universe to some sort of property, there are many out there begging for it. From role playing there's Traveller (only a Kickstarter rip-off attempt currently exists), the actual game called Space Opera (old FGU property), Starfinder (built-in Space Magic), and many more. From novels, EE "Doc" Smith's "Lensmen" series still hasn't had a faithful production.

... or just make up something new.
 

trappedslider

Adventurer
I'm with Morrus; Space Opera: A New Franchise.

The Force isn't unique in Science Fantasy. Magic and Psionics have been part of it for as long as it has existed. If someone wants to attach the new universe to some sort of property, there are many out there begging for it. From role playing there's Traveller (only a Kickstarter rip-off attempt currently exists), the actual game called Space Opera (old FGU property), Starfinder (built-in Space Magic), and many more. From novels, EE "Doc" Smith's "Lensmen" series still hasn't had a faithful production.

... or just make up something new.
From the d20 future book:
  • Star*Drive, a political space opera taking placed in the 26th century. It is a remake of Alternity campaign setting of the same name.
  • Star Law, a remake of the popular 1980s Star Frontiers space opera-based role-playing game. The mini-setting is cited to use material from Star Frontiers Alpha Dawn and Zebulon's Guide to Frontier Space. (this would be slightly better as a tv show imo)
From the Dark Heart of Space, a Fifth Element style setting inspired by the eternal struggle between good and evil, with a touch of the Cthulhu Mythos.
 

ccs

40th lv DM
Yes, I have. I say, move on. We don't need another Captain Kirk or Han Solo. There are other people to tell stories about.

All of the names you mentioned were literary figures brought to film. Star Trek and Star Wars were films first and foremost, and the iconic characters forever linked with specific actors. We can discuss who the best Bond is, or which version of Batman we prefer. But there is no single actor who "made" the character. Harrison Ford "made" Han Solo; so too with William Shatner and James T Kirk, or Patrick Stewart and Jean-Luc Picard.

What about Hamlet? Not a literary figure. Thousands & thousands of actors beyond the 1st guy have played that role on stage & now screen . Almost always telling the exact same story.
You don't think future audiences deserve Hamlet?
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
There is definitely much virtue to be had in starting a whole new IP. Old franchises get bogged down with outdated assumptions. I tend to think we need a new Star Trek too because a LOT has happened since the 70s that is fundamentally incompatible with the Star Trek account of this time period.

I think if I were to chart a path for Star Wars going forward though that was not just "Well, the main story is effed," I would bring in some great threat or change from another galaxy - one that broadened everyone's horizons and perhaps made the Unknown Regions of the primary galaxy eminently Known, something that would have to be dealt with simultaneously. Not the Yuuzhan Vong though - they were dumb, and their slaughter was dumb. The only way to make the make a story about laser sword wielding monks make sense going forward is if the Jedi and the Sith turn out to not be the be all and end all of the Force. That does not mean that a "new threat" needs to be more powerful or destructive than the Sith were. But it does need to introduce a new perspective.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
From the d20 future book:
  • Star*Drive, a political space opera taking placed in the 26th century. It is a remake of Alternity campaign setting of the same name.
  • Star Law, a remake of the popular 1980s Star Frontiers space opera-based role-playing game. The mini-setting is cited to use material from Star Frontiers Alpha Dawn and Zebulon's Guide to Frontier Space. (this would be slightly better as a tv show imo)
From the Dark Heart of Space, a Fifth Element style setting inspired by the eternal struggle between good and evil, with a touch of the Cthulhu Mythos.

I've run both Star*Drive and Star Frontiers campaigns, but thought I was already going too heavily on the RPG side. There's also Other Suns and Shatterzone as possibilities.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
What about Hamlet? Not a literary figure. Thousands & thousands of actors beyond the 1st guy have played that role on stage & now screen . Almost always telling the exact same story.
You don't think future audiences deserve Hamlet?

Put a pin in that and I'll come back to talk about that one in 400-or-so years ;)
 

Zardnaar

Legend
If I did new Star Wars I would try and tie it back to the OT/PT in some way but without copying them.

Say you made Star Wars:Top Gun. I would kr use X-Wings vs TIE Fighters even if the force wasn't such a thing.

If you time shift it to something like the Old Republic Jedi vs Sith makes sense.

If I wanted to timeshift it and not use Jedi or Sith I would use a location like Coruscant.

You still need to tie your story to the larger Star Wars universe. Other force using traditions can absolutely be part of that and we've seen at least one in canon, heaps in the old EU.

I wouldn't mess with established characters to much. Make new ones it's easy enough.

You don't need to know much except Coruscant is the galactic capital. If it's not you need to explain it to some extent. That's where TFA failed where they had Starkiller base blow up Hosnian Prime and 4 other planets.

Why care, we've seen planets blown up before, and there was no emotional impact like Tarkin and Vader blowing up Alderaan and making Leia watch and her reaction.

Good Star Wars needs emotion, not just the actors going through the routines. By emotion I mean something like "I am your father", Han and Leia, or Obi Wan and Vader on Mustafar, Vader and Luke on Deathstar. Carrie Fisher selling the destruction of her world to the audience.

Even you are Revan works. Mandalorian is pulling it off with the main character and baby Yoda.

2/3 of the ST movies just imitate better stories. Hell Solo's better than all 3 of them IMHO. At least it was decent and original.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
The Mandalorian was a god example of a Star Wars story that does not include the Skywalker Saga characters (or at least not in season 1).

Rogue One looked at the story behind A New Hope.

But like it was stated earlier, do stories outside of the George Lucas' Skywalker Saga era.

There is lots of possible stories that happened before Episode 1, and lots that happened after episode 6.

There are lots of stories that took place between episodes 1 and 6 (Tales of Mos Eisley Cantina, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, etc.)

Stories about the grey jedi, the whills, sith wars (before lightsabers were a thing), etc.
No grey Jedi. Ever.

Please for the love of the force no grey Jedi.
 

Mercurius

Legend
What about Hamlet? Not a literary figure. Thousands & thousands of actors beyond the 1st guy have played that role on stage & now screen . Almost always telling the exact same story.
You don't think future audiences deserve Hamlet?

I'd consider Hamlet a literary figure. He is primarily the creation of a playwright, not a actor. There is no single, definitive Hamlet actor that crafted Hamlet.

Anyhow, I consider it to be creatively lazy to continue to re-hash old IP and characters, and almost inevitably leads to diminishing returns.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
No grey Jedi. Ever.

Please for the love of the force no grey Jedi.

They've already brought them back I think. Ahsoka Tano is one iirc.

What's your idea of grey Jedi though?

1. Uses light and dark side
2. Has Jedi trading but doesn't join or l eaves the order
3. Any force user that's not a member of the Jedi order or Sith.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
They've already brought them back I think. Ahsoka Tano is one iirc.

What's your idea of grey Jedi though?

1. Uses light and dark side
2. Has Jedi trading but doesn't join or l eaves the order
3. Any force user that's not a member of the Jedi order or Sith.
1. Is the only thing that has ever been a “grey Jedi”. Ahsoka is not grey. She is firmly in the Light.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
1. Is the only thing that has ever been a “grey Jedi”. Ahsoka is not grey. She is firmly in the Light.

Grey Jedi can mean someone who has left the order and hasn't gone to the dark side.

I think Filoni said she was grey Jedi, could be wrong.

I usually use it in the context of someone who's had Jedi training and hasn't gone to the dark side. Ventress for example isn't one and she's not Sith (but wanted to be one). I would call her a dark Jedi although not sure if they use that term.

Shorthand for Darkside Jedi I suppose.
 

MarkB

Legend
Grey Jedi can mean someone who has left the order and hasn't gone to the dark side.

I think Filoni said she was grey Jedi, could be wrong.

I usually use it in the context of someone who's had Jedi training and hasn't gone to the dark side. Ventress for example isn't one and she's not Sith (but wanted to be one). I would call her a dark Jedi although not sure if they use that term.

Shorthand for Darkside Jedi I suppose.
Personally, I'd just like some kind of Force tradition which allows you to still be a good person without having to achieve Vulcan-like levels of emotional suppression or give up all personal connections.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Personally, I'd just like some kind of Force tradition which allows you to still be a good person without having to achieve Vulcan-like levels of emotional suppression or give up all personal connections.

They had them but they got purged. Shrugs.
 


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The first movie was in 1977. This means in 2027 will be the 50th anniversary, and after it's enough time to allow themself a reboot.

We have other option: The prophets and seers who can see the future are canon in SW. This means someones could see different futures, and then Disney could publish a new serie about these "prophets' files" where a group of arcaheologists search a old holocron with the files of these prophets. These files were created by the cooperation of the prophets seing the different possible futures, and telepath reading the mind and sending those mental images to a "holo-scribe", other force-adept with telekinetic powers being used with holograpic technology to "record" those prophecies as 3D movies. This trick would allow to be canon but alter the canon and almost nobody would be angry. An example of alternate timeline would be the galaxy for the age of the Rakata infinity empire being conquered by the yuuzan vong.

* SW is a fabulous franchise, but after the batle of Yavin (the first Deathstar is destroyed) almost all the main events in the galaxy are linked to Skywalker family and company. And jedi may have got too much prominence.
 

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