STARGATE UNIVERSE #10:Justice/Season 1/2009

[MarkB]

Carter and McKay did this fairly often on SG1/SGA. No reason to think it would be different for Rush, who seems to be on the same intelligence level as they are.

Almost all the tech in SG1/SGA was ultimately based upon Ancient technology, which gives it a fundamentally human dimension. An alien ship all the way out where the Destiny is now, many galaxies beyond Ancient influence, won't have even remotely human origins, which makes it whole orders of magnitude more strange and incomprehensible. Getting it working with no scientific intrumentation and limited equipment would be way beyond anything the SG teams ever did.

 

[Rykion]

He's the lead scientist on the 9th chevron project, and clearly a respected expert on Ancient tech. They put him him in charge of the science for that, it's an easy logical extension that the same would be true of Destiny, yes.

Why? Why aren't Carter, McKay, or someone else in charge of the 9th chevron project, then?

I don't know that it was one of their top projects. It was also a project so bogged down that they programmed an equation into a computer game to get it solved. That doesn't really speak well for the team involved.

Well, no. Most of the military guys on the ship, including the major jerks, are there through sheer accident (as it were), due to the attack on the base.

Just like Rush and the science team. There would definitely be SGC military personnel on any mission to Destiny. Rush's problem is with any military command. It is not just Young.

I could not disagree more with the "Rush wouldn't be there" theory. He was selected for that position over Carter and McKay for a reason (which could well include them being too busy). There's no reason at all to think he wouldn't have remained in charge of the science.

The 9th chevron team wasn't meant to go through the gate. The IOA had a team that was supposed to go through as Wray's boss tells her in the episode Earth. She asks him "why isn't Rush here?" and he tells her "we're not convinced Rush wants to come home." The implication seems clear that he wasn't on the team the IOA planned to send.

Even before he tried to frame Young, Rush had pulled enough stunts that there is no way SGC would send him back to Destiny as lead scientist. I doubt Young has much future with the SGC right now either.

 

[Rykion]

I still say that trial would have been too much an echo of Baltar's trial in nBSG for the writers- and possibly the producers- to feel comfortable.

There wouldn't have to have been a trial. Young could have called everyone in and showed them the kino footage of Rush. No one would argue with Rush being locked up at that point.

 

[Fast Learner]

Obviously we're just fanwanking here and see things differently, with different understandings of intentions and implications, so there's no point in beating on it. Suffice it to say that you see it one way and I see it another, with both of us thinking the other is dead wrong.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

There wouldn't have to have been a trial. Young could have called everyone in and showed them the kino footage of Rush. No one would argue with Rush being locked up at that point.

Young seems to be- generally speaking- a by the book kind of commander. As such, he'd have a trial.

It might have resembled the inquiry he was subjected to, or it may have been more like a UCMJ Court Martial- and it definitely would have been short, once the kino footage got out- but there would have been a trial.

 

[Rykion]

Suffice it to say that you see it one way and I see it another, with both of us thinking the other is dead wrong.

It's cool. The world would be a boring place if everyone saw things the same way.

 

[Mark]

There may be some stipulation, by-the-book, that allows for Young to justify doing something on a planet that he wouldn't do onboard ship but the fact that he lied when returning to the ship doesn't bode well for him. If he had said nothing or said something more ambiguous, he might be able to retain his moral highground (in his own mind, anyway) but outright lying changes everything.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

There may be some stipulation, by-the-book, that allows for Young to justify doing something on a planet that he wouldn't do onboard ship but the fact that he lied when returning to the ship doesn't bode well for him. If he had said nothing or said something more ambiguous, he might be able to retain his moral highground (in his own mind, anyway) but outright lying changes everything.

No it doesn't. He lied to the people on the ship. He doesn't answer to them he only answers to Oniell, or The President or whatever. If he lies to Gen Oniell about what happened in his next briefing then I'd agree with you.

 

[Fast Learner]

Definitely a matter of differing philosophies. A leader does indeed answer to the people he leads when it comes to behaving morally. "I was only following orders" isn't a valid excuse if Young suddenly ordered his men to shoot all of the civilians in order to maintain better on-ship order, regardless of the chain of command above Young.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Young did the same thing Rush did (to a degree), he lied to keep the rest of the crew from mutiny, if it got out Rush did all those things, nothing would get done on the ship again and Rush watched and verified.

Rush did it to give the crew hope...okay, to get someone in the chair.

One for their own agenda, the other for the benefit of the crew.