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Pielorinho said:A rogue hears a party of orcs behind the door and says, "Guys, I can hear some orcs behind this door. Cleric, you open the door. I'm gonna shoot the first orc i see. Wizard, you fireball them. Fighter, you charge in." They then enact this plan. The orcs inside are unaware of them. Who gains a surprise round?
The PCs gain surprise, because they are aware of their opponents *and* can choose the moment of attack (unlike in the spectre example, where the moment of attack is chosen by the "unaware" side)!
A rogue correctly believes there's a party of orcs beind the door, but does not hear any. He says, "Guys, I can hear some orcs behind this door. Cleric, you open the door. I'm gonna shoot the first orc i see. Wizard, you fireball them. Fighter, you charge in." They then enact this plan. The orcs inside are unaware of them. Who gains a surprise round?
Also the PCs, but only if it really is the way the rogue says, otherwise noone gains surprise.

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