D&D General Tasha's: Spell sniper + booming blade + reach weapon
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Bacon Bits
Hero
I don't really know the combo.
However, Booming Blade now begins: "You brandish the weapon used in the spell’s casting and make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you." I'm guessing that is the change. The range would still double from Self (5-foot radius) to Self (10-foot radius), but you're still required to attack a target within 5 feet. So, I don't see how Spell Sniper and a reach weapon really have any beneficial effect at all on Booming Blade.
However, Booming Blade now begins: "You brandish the weapon used in the spell’s casting and make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you." I'm guessing that is the change. The range would still double from Self (5-foot radius) to Self (10-foot radius), but you're still required to attack a target within 5 feet. So, I don't see how Spell Sniper and a reach weapon really have any beneficial effect at all on Booming Blade.
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DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
The issue as I see it: Spell sniper requires a spell with a range. Booming blade has a range of Self, so would not qualify despite the (5-foot radius) of the spell. This is why (or at least one reason) the booming blade spell's range was changed from 5 feet.
So, if you are using the updated version of the spell, I would say bye-bye to that combo.
evilatredes
Villager
Actually no. That combo is still valid, with Booming Blade.
The cantrip Booming Blade's range is extended to 10ft, when paired with a reach weapon. That has not changed.
Break down the cantrip description. The attack roll itself is done with a melee weapon, in this case a whip/polearm. The range of Booming Blade is extended to 10ft. through the feat Spell Sniper. So when the cantrip, feat, and a reach weapon are used together it is a valid use of Booming Blade. This is both RAW and RAI.
Longsword (Non-Reach weapon) + Booming Blade + Spell Sniper = 5ft Spell range.
Whip (Reach weapons) + Booming Blade + Spell Sniper = 10ft. Spell Range.
RAI = You are given a choice of cantrips which includes both Booming Blade as well as Green Flame Blade, when selecting the Feat Spell Sniper in dndbeyond. This is not a coincidence, and was intentional.
The cantrip Booming Blade's range is extended to 10ft, when paired with a reach weapon. That has not changed.
Break down the cantrip description. The attack roll itself is done with a melee weapon, in this case a whip/polearm. The range of Booming Blade is extended to 10ft. through the feat Spell Sniper. So when the cantrip, feat, and a reach weapon are used together it is a valid use of Booming Blade. This is both RAW and RAI.
Longsword (Non-Reach weapon) + Booming Blade + Spell Sniper = 5ft Spell range.
Whip (Reach weapons) + Booming Blade + Spell Sniper = 10ft. Spell Range.
RAI = You are given a choice of cantrips which includes both Booming Blade as well as Green Flame Blade, when selecting the Feat Spell Sniper in dndbeyond. This is not a coincidence, and was intentional.
bedir than
Hero
The spell clearly says the range is "self" not 5'
Paul Farquhar
Legend
You are still using the old text. It was changed.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
@Paul Farquhar is correct. Here is the spell now:
The target must be within 5 feet of you, reach is not an issue.
I've always been curious why a 10' reach was a problem with Booming Blade anyways, given what you had to do in order to make it a thing. Wow, a creature with normal reach might take some bonus thunder damage. You of course had to be a Bugbear, use a reach weapon (which is usually a little less damaging on it's own than regular two handed weapons), and take a Feat to do this.
Contrast and compare what you can do with Polearm Mastery or Sentinel when using a reach weapon. Yeah, not really impressed. Sure, you could argue that this stunt combines with those, but how many ASI's are you giving up at this point?
Feats should be awesome, given that you get so few opportunities to select one, and that there's a very real opportunity cost for doing so.
Contrast and compare what you can do with Polearm Mastery or Sentinel when using a reach weapon. Yeah, not really impressed. Sure, you could argue that this stunt combines with those, but how many ASI's are you giving up at this point?
Feats should be awesome, given that you get so few opportunities to select one, and that there's a very real opportunity cost for doing so.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
FWIW, I just houserule it to reach anyway, despite what the new text actually says. I think it is silly, otherwise.
delph
Explorer
I'm planning bugbear with a polearm, and BB/GFB are options before the 4th level when I can take the feat...
Shadowdweller00
Adventurer
Sooo....one takes the Mobile feat instead of Spell Sniper. And mostly accomplishes the same thing.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
I made one before and with PAM feat for a short "level 20 adventure".
The GM was "nice" and allowed War Caster to work with it, too. So when something entered my 15' reach (LOL!) I could use Booming Blade on it. If it kept moving, it took the extra damage.
It was pretty sick.
delph
Explorer
My GM allowed me BB/GFB only in my "body reach" so only to 10 ft. But it still enoughI made one before and with PAM feat for a short "level 20 adventure".
The GM was "nice" and allowed War Caster to work with it, too. So when something entered my 15' reach (LOL!) I could use Booming Blade on it. If it kept moving, it took the extra damage.
It was pretty sick.
and here is trade - use sentinel and stop him (can do any melee dmg) or warcaster to give him big amount of dmg (after 11 lvl it's super big dmg)Similar Threads
