The Actual Table of Contents for Xanathar's Guide to Everything



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Omega9999

Carnyfex Dynastarum
I would have liked more than the 17 pages of names a full reprint of the character options in the SCAG, since I do not own a copy of it. Most of the options are generic anyway. I'm pretty disappointed.
 

Paraxis

Explorer
Is there a good summary of all the preview videos someplace just the facts we know about the different options, I can't stand watching these guys take 10 minutes to tell me the sentence that sort of matters, and I just find watching videos in general a horrible way to release information.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Vote with your pocketbook. It's the only thing Hasbro will listen to. Complaining on the internet does not solve problems in an effective manner. (See my purposeless, overblown tirades against wilderness rogues and thieves cant for details.)

It’s called conversation. People can have conversations with each other about things, including conversations about products they may or may not be buying. They can *also* simultaneously choose or not choose to buy it. It’s not a binary state where they can only do one thing.

This is not entitlement. This is normal social interaction.
 


The book looks good to me and I will be buying it. But I will buy it from Amazon, like I have bought all of my 5E books, as well as all other recent gaming book purchases. Paying the full retail for gaming books is simply beyond my budget and is something I would do only if no one was offering any kind of discount or sale price at all.
 

Dualazi

First Post
Y'know a list of human names is one of those cases where I trust a book over the internet. The cynical outcome would be they just copy and pasted some names from the internet, but I'd like to believe they did some actual research into naming conventions around the world. Also they'd presumably include lists of family names, which aren't as easy to find on the internet.

Also I'd rather have the filler be something marginally useful than functionally bad. They might have had 11 pages to spare and decided on something everyone could use than pushing some undercooked feats out the door.

Why would internet resources become more suspect on that issue? There are a multitude of sites that cater to names, I find it doubtful that all are malicious or misinformed. Even if you played at a table with no electronics whatsoever (which already makes you a minority of players I would guess) you could still print out a short list ahead of time. There's no good reason for it to be in the book, much less 17 pages of it. Seriously, to look at that number from another perspective, essentially 9% of Xanathar's is devoted to names alone. Even if it was undercooked content, I would take an expanded exploration section, alternate rules for skill use, or any number of other related options that might actually take work for me to make on my own. I don't need Wizards' help using google, thanks.
 

Ath-kethin

Elder Thing
The book looks good to me and I will be buying it. But I will buy it from Amazon, like I have bought all of my 5E books, as well as all other recent gaming book purchases. Paying the full retail for gaming books is simply beyond my budget and is something I would do only if no one was offering any kind of discount or sale price at all.

I am pretty disappointed in what I see for this book so far. While I don't have a real problem with more player options I won't allow at my table, I really wish the DM section was heartier. I'm on the "17 pages of stuff you can find in seconds on the internet is an even bigger waste of space than the SCAG reprints" bandwagon as well.

But I will buy the hardcover at my local comic/game store. I am fortunate that I can do so and not starve as a result, but more importantly to my mind is the support of my local shop. I have a four year old, and part of our weekly routine is stopping by to see if his new My Little Pony comic is in, watching the slightly older kids play D&D, checking out the miniatures, etc.

I want that shop to be here for him (and for the slightly older kids playing D&D and everyone else) for as long as possible, and I can't push for that by buying stuff off Amazon.

I am not passing judgement here; I bought almost all of my 3.5 books from dealers on EBay back in the day because they were so much cheaper. I definitely understand where you are coming from. But it's worth $50 or $100 a year to me to help make sure my store stays around.
 

gyor

Legend
I am pretty disappointed in what I see for this book so far. While I don't have a real problem with more player options I won't allow at my table, I really wish the DM section was heartier. I'm on the "17 pages of stuff you can find in seconds on the internet is an even bigger waste of space than the SCAG reprints" bandwagon as well.

But I will buy the hardcover at my local comic/game store. I am fortunate that I can do so and not starve as a result, but more importantly to my mind is the support of my local shop. I have a four year old, and part of our weekly routine is stopping by to see if his new My Little Pony comic is in, watching the slightly older kids play D&D, checking out the miniatures, etc.

I want that shop to be here for him (and for the slightly older kids playing D&D and everyone else) for as long as possible, and I can't push for that by buying stuff off Amazon.

I am not passing judgement here; I bought almost all of my 3.5 books from dealers on EBay back in the day because they were so much cheaper. I definitely understand where you are coming from. But it's worth $50 or $100 a year to me to help make sure my store stays around.

The DM section really should have been a separate book, but they don't have the staff for that.
 

dave2008

Legend
I am pretty disappointed in what I see for this book so far. While I don't have a real problem with more player options I won't allow at my table, I really wish the DM section was heartier. I'm on the "17 pages of stuff you can find in seconds on the internet is an even bigger waste of space than the SCAG reprints" bandwagon as well.

But I will buy the hardcover at my local comic/game store. I am fortunate that I can do so and not starve as a result, but more importantly to my mind is the support of my local shop. I have a four year old, and part of our weekly routine is stopping by to see if his new My Little Pony comic is in, watching the slightly older kids play D&D, checking out the miniatures, etc.

I want that shop to be here for him (and for the slightly older kids playing D&D and everyone else) for as long as possible, and I can't push for that by buying stuff off Amazon.

I am not passing judgement here; I bought almost all of my 3.5 books from dealers on EBay back in the day because they were so much cheaper. I definitely understand where you are coming from. But it's worth $50 or $100 a year to me to help make sure my store stays around.

You have summed up my thoughts and feelings pretty well. I want to support my local shop, so I will probably by a copy, but I don't see a lot here that I want. I was hoping for more DM content, or a least more diversity of content. 77 pages of DM content I would have thought would be adequate, but it is just not a lot of subjects I am interested in. I was looking forward to more rule options / variants. From the TOC this looks more like rule clarifications than truly new content.
 

dave2008

Legend
The DM section really should have been a separate book, but they don't have the staff for that.

I don't think it is a staff issue, it is their marketing philosophy. VoGtM combined PC and DM content as well. So did SCAG. I don't think they want to sell discrete PC and DM products. They believe, and I feel like they have actually said this as well, they can sell more product with a combined approach.
 

gyor

Legend
I don't think it is a staff issue, it is their marketing philosophy. VoGtM combined PC and DM content as well. So did SCAG. I don't think they want to sell discrete PC and DM products. They believe, and I feel like they have actually said this as well, they can sell more product with a combined approach.

Don't kind yourself it's not that they don't want too, it's that they can't, that's just the excuse they put out, when the reality is that to put out a pure players option book would mean no DM book at all that year, because they can't do more then 1 none AP book a year.
 

dropbear8mybaby

Banned
Banned
Combining DM and player content is a fantastic idea. I don't know why everyone is complaining about that. The burden of buying books is almost always on the DM. Even if it's a player-centric book, the DM needs access to a copy in order to know what's in it, which usually means buying a copy. Having players pitch in to share the expense helps a lot. That, and all DM's are players, and more players should be DM's.
 

JeffB

Legend
I was wondering when they would start talking about the DM side of the book as the player side has zero interest for me. Now I can see why they haven't bothered. That is a snoozefest of DM "tools".

I'll stick with TOA for best DM product for 2017.
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
I find it ironic that some people find paying $50 once a year for mechanical options is a hardship when 10 years ago they would be paying $35 every month for mechanical options... in both cases having material they'd probably only use 15% of. Especially now that we've had three years of incessant complaints about WotC not releasing new game mechanic material and cries of "I want to give WotC my money but they won't take it!" Three years of complaints for more character options, and now that they can have them, more complaints of "I'm not going to spend my money on them."

Now admittedly, the people in this thread who are saying they aren't going to spend the $50 are most likely not the same people who've been shouting this entire time "Where are my character options!"... but I do find it amusing how quickly the narrative changes nonetheless. But on the bright side for everyone who doesn't want to buy the book... you probably can all use the UA articles themselves for your own home games as needed because the mechanics have all seemed relatively reasonable (with maybe an adjustment made only here or there in specific cases.)

Me personally? I'm going to buy the book because I had the foresight to save the $4 each month for the past year so that I'd have the money available to me. It was hard... I mean I usually had to just buy the Medium coffee at Dunkin' Donuts every day rather than the Large... but I think I'm going to be good. ;) And as far a worth is concerned... I've blown money on much more useless products than this (the 4E Eberron books when I already had the 3.5 setting book), so I'm willing to suck it up just to have the rules in one easily-accessible place.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Especially now that we've had three years of incessant complaints about WotC not releasing new game mechanic material and cries of "I want to give WotC my money but they won't take it!" Three years of complaints for more character options, and now that they can have them, more complaints of "I'm not going to spend my money on them."

Now admittedly, the people in this thread who are saying they aren't going to spend the $50 are most likely not the same people who've been shouting this entire time "Where are my character options!"... but I do find it amusing how quickly the narrative changes nonetheless.

That’s what happens when you talk to different people. They say different things. It’s quite common.
 


Remathilis

Legend
As an aside, I’m getting really tired of seeing people try and dismiss complaints as entitlement, essentially implying that you should just be happy with whatever and never push back against poor quality. No one is asking for the book for free, but pointing out that a lot of redundant or useless content might make it a harder sell at the usual 50$ price is a valid issue for potential consumers to be made aware of.

try again:

Yeah, the last year or so of UA's, trawling through feedback, testing, revising, surveys, etc. they really should just give it to us for free. Hell, I think I should be paid to buy it!
 

dave2008

Legend
Don't kind yourself it's not that they don't want too, it's that they can't, that's just the excuse they put out, when the reality is that to put out a pure players option book would mean no DM book at all that year, because they can't do more then 1 none AP book a year.

I don't know - I always try to kind myself ;)

That could be, but that is just speculation. Regardless it is really the same point - they are doing what they think is most profitable (as any business typical does). Your example is low overhead is more profitable so less staff. My example is market research says two in one is more profitable.

I know from previous market research (before 5e) that DMs buy the more product (by a large margin). So it makes sense (staff or not) to bundle PC content with DM content. I know this is how it works in my group as well. There is no extra PC content unless I make it or buy it, so it is nice to get some DM content too.
 


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