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D&D 5E The Paladin excerpt

ZombieRoboNinja

First Post
So, I absolutely love what I'm seeing here, but I do have one tiny nitpick. (Said nitpick applies even more to the ranger, working under the assumption that the ranger follows a similar pattern.)

I was really hoping that the game had left room for future non-spell-casting rangers and paladins through the use of subclasses. (I loved the 4E martial ranger as an option.) That would've been fairly smooth, simple to accomplish.

But it appears paladins (and rangers?) get spells a level before they choose their subclass. Which means, if there ever is to be a spell-less option, it'll require something clunkier/more encompassing than just a new subclass.

As I said, that's me being picky. I'm a huge fan of what we've seen so far, paladin-wise. I just could've been an even huger one. ;)

I've come around on rangers since the 5e fighter and rogue look capable of managing most of what you'd want from a non-magical ranger, but I too was hoping for a spell-free paladin. Oh well. One consolation: in the alpha, smite is powered by spell slots, so if you're stubborn enough you can just refuse to memorize spells and smite every round!
 

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According to TWSNBN, Paladins can indeed "fall," but it has to do with direct and willful violation of their actual Oath only. It has nothing to do with actions against alignment.

A very graceful solution, if it holds for the final release.
 


vecna00

Adventurer
Even someone who is Chaotic Evil could be doing things they feel to be "good." It could make for a great, if very deluded, anti-hero type, or the most despicable villain.

Nothing is more frightening than a villain who wholeheartedly believes they are doing the right thing for the greater good.
 



bolo__

First Post
Cool. I see symbols of Helm, 4e Corellon, and Lathander.

Interestingly, the text mentions Torm (Helm's 4e replacement), not Helm--but the symbol on the shield is surely not Torm's, since Torm's is specifically a right hand with palm forward (so the thumb would be on the viewer's right). It might not he Helm's, though, since there's no eye (though the gold spiral certainly implies it).

Unless they flipped the artwork for some reason.

"Appendix B lists many deities worshiped by paladins throughout the multiverse, such as Torm, Tyr, Heironeous, Paladine..."

Well, well, well! Look who's coming back from the dead. Since my paladin has been a devout follower of Tyr since was originally created back in the late 80s, Wizards has made at least one player very happy.

So Tyr died in the Realms update a few years ago? I really didn't know that. Huh. Just one more thing for me to dislike about the post-spellplague realms. He was one of my favorite deities in the FR.

As for the paladin, there's not enough for me to get excited about! Darn it, I want my book!

So I can't recall WHERE I read it but there was an article or a tweet or something from Wizards that suggested that ALL the gods are in the new FR setting.

I was checking because my wife's cleric needed to be a morninglord of Lathander because it fit her outlook on life so so well and the whole thing with Lathander actually having been Armaunator who then came back and all... any way as this image shows Lathander (the sunrise symbol top right of the first Paladin page's artwork) is back in his own right, if you want him to be.

Same goes with Tyr, Tor and Helm I guess... all the gods are back in play whether they died or were cast down or whatever previously or not.
 

vecna00

Adventurer
So I can't recall WHERE I read it but there was an article or a tweet or something from Wizards that suggested that ALL the gods are in the new FR setting.

I was checking because my wife's cleric needed to be a morninglord of Lathander because it fit her outlook on life so so well and the whole thing with Lathander actually having been Armaunator who then came back and all... any way as this image shows Lathander (the sunrise symbol top right of the first Paladin page's artwork) is back in his own right, if you want him to be.

Same goes with Tyr, Tor and Helm I guess... all the gods are back in play whether they died or were cast down or whatever previously or not.

Part of me wants to say they're giving us the ability to choose "when" to set our games, thus giving a more "full" listing of deities. I don't have any kind of proof, I just remember one of the designers talking about it in a random Q&A video when asked about campaign settings. Said they wanted to give the framework and let you choose the "when," "where," and "how."

I could be totally off with that, however.
 

Remathilis

Legend
So I can't recall WHERE I read it but there was an article or a tweet or something from Wizards that suggested that ALL the gods are in the new FR setting.

I was checking because my wife's cleric needed to be a morninglord of Lathander because it fit her outlook on life so so well and the whole thing with Lathander actually having been Armaunator who then came back and all... any way as this image shows Lathander (the sunrise symbol top right of the first Paladin page's artwork) is back in his own right, if you want him to be.

Same goes with Tyr, Tor and Helm I guess... all the gods are back in play whether they died or were cast down or whatever previously or not.

For What Its Worth, Lathander returned during the Sundering.
 



Agamon

Adventurer
Am I the only one that cringed and then face palmed over the half-orc paladin?

Probably not. Just the first one I've seen here, at RPG.net, on Twitter, or on G+.

Cringe-worthy seems a bit hyperbolic. It's not like it's a beholder or balor...
 

Henry

Autoexreginated
Am I the only one that cringed and then face palmed over the half-orc paladin?

Given that the concept has been around since 3e, it didn't bug me. I remember a really cool Dragon Mag cover from the early 2000s with a half orc paladin on the cover.
 

variant

Adventurer
Probably not. Just the first one I've seen here, at RPG.net, on Twitter, or on G+.

Cringe-worthy seems a bit hyperbolic. It's not like it's a beholder or balor...

It's just not something I want to see in the PHB, much like I don't like the tiefling. Things like elves, halflings, gnomes, and dwarves are good because they resemble humans. This and the tiefling look like something out of a Monster Manual.

The PHB art just isn't very appealing to me despite liking the design of the interior of it.
 

bganon

Explorer
I've come around on rangers since the 5e fighter and rogue look capable of managing most of what you'd want from a non-magical ranger, but I too was hoping for a spell-free paladin. Oh well. One consolation: in the alpha, smite is powered by spell slots, so if you're stubborn enough you can just refuse to memorize spells and smite every round!

I think this will be it, short of houserules or DMG-inspired class hybridization. Want to be a non-casting Paladin? Just burn all your spell slots on smites. Done. A tiny lizard told me rangers might also have a way of burning spell slots, but we'll see what makes it into the PHB.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
Even someone who is Chaotic Evil could be doing things they feel to be "good." It could make for a great, if very deluded, anti-hero type, or the most despicable villain.

Nothing is more frightening than a villain who wholeheartedly believes they are doing the right thing for the greater good.

Heh.

"Well, I noticed that this ethnic minority being here was really causing a lot of problems, so I rounded them up and killed them all, and now everybody is happy because they don't have to deal with people not like themselves anymore! I did good!"

"Dammit, Paladin Hitler, you're not helping!"
 

jrowland

First Post
Hmmm...

In Warhammer, I think Priests of Sigmar and/or witch hunters make an interesting "not-so-good" paladin. Burn the whole village down, best to kill a few innocents than to let chaos get a foothold. I saw way too many warts on these people to consider it a fluke...they are chaos-tainted for sure.

I forget the name, those dudes in The Wheel of Time...Flame something...they hunted men who wielded the male magic (saidin?)...that had a holier-than-thou, paladin-goes-a-murdering vibe as well.

A LE/NE/CE Paladin (as opposed to a blackguard) could be an overly zealous member of an otherwise "good" order (oath). Heck, the entire order could be overly zealous.
 

vecna00

Adventurer
Heh.

"Well, I noticed that this ethnic minority being here was really causing a lot of problems, so I rounded them up and killed them all, and now everybody is happy because they don't have to deal with people not like themselves anymore! I did good!"

"Dammit, Paladin Hitler, you're not helping!"

There was also a group of elves in the Realms, whose name escapes me at the moment, but they were essentially racist against humans, but they believed themselves to be doing the right thing by wanting all the humans wiped out.

That's what first sparked my comment, by yours pretty much nails it too!
 

Sonny

Adventurer
Given that the concept has been around since 3e, it didn't bug me. I remember a really cool Dragon Mag cover from the early 2000s with a half orc paladin on the cover.


Yup, in fact a half-orc paladin was one of the first pieces of concept art shown when 3rd edition was announced. Drawn on my birthday no less.

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