the tablet war is heating up

I dunno. The tablet market may be more like the smartphone market. Android phones, taken collectively, have become significant competition to the iPhone.

I believe the market will be very, very similar to the mp3 player market and utterly unlike the smartphone market for one key reason: no carrier bondage. If the iPhone was available on all carriers and in Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. like the iPad is, Android phones wouldn't have done nearly as well, in my opinion.

As with all retail sales, the winner is the best marketer, with the "best" product being only peripherally related.

That said, every argument based on "sheep" or "drones" or whatever other insult is simply name-calling and completely undermines any point one might make. Just call me a "poopyhead" and move on to the swingset, man, or be done with the schoolyard insults.

That I like pepperoni and loathe anchovies doesn't make me stupid, and it doesn't mean I'm an idiot who simply follows the crowd. Talk to me about the delicious saltiness and the beneficial omega-3 fatty acids of your topping and I'll consider your argument, but matters of taste are personal things and odds are I'll go on enjoying my pepperoni no matter how many other people like it, too. It won't mean I'm dumb, and it certainly won't mean you're smarter or better than me, just as the fact that a lot of other people prefer pepperoni doesn't mean your taste for a less popular topping is wrong.
 

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I believe the market will be very, very similar to the mp3 player market and utterly unlike the smartphone market for one key reason: no carrier bondage. If the iPhone was available on all carriers and in Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. like the iPad is, Android phones wouldn't have done nearly as well, in my opinion.

As with all retail sales, the winner is the best marketer, with the "best" product being only peripherally related.

That said, every argument based on "sheep" or "drones" or whatever other insult is simply name-calling and completely undermines any point one might make. Just call me a "poopyhead" and move on to the swingset, man, or be done with the schoolyard insults.

That I like pepperoni and loathe anchovies doesn't make me stupid, and it doesn't mean I'm an idiot who simply follows the crowd. Talk to me about the delicious saltiness and the beneficial omega-3 fatty acids of your topping and I'll consider your argument, but matters of taste are personal things and odds are I'll go on enjoying my pepperoni no matter how many other people like it, too. It won't mean I'm dumb, and it certainly won't mean you're smarter or better than me, just as the fact that a lot of other people prefer pepperoni doesn't mean your taste for a less popular topping is wrong.
Don't eat the Apple, man! It's not meant for that!







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How do you see that working out though? I believe in the Euro zone, the tablets are actually able to be used as phones.

in addition, several of the tablets stateside are available with a carrier with a reduced fee with a 2 year contract including the Xoom and the iPad.


I believe the market will be very, very similar to the mp3 player market and utterly unlike the smartphone market for one key reason: no carrier bondage. If the iPhone was available on all carriers and in Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. like the iPad is, Android phones wouldn't have done nearly as well, in my opinion.

As with all retail sales, the winner is the best marketer, with the "best" product being only peripherally related.

That said, every argument based on "sheep" or "drones" or whatever other insult is simply name-calling and completely undermines any point one might make. Just call me a "poopyhead" and move on to the swingset, man, or be done with the schoolyard insults.

That I like pepperoni and loathe anchovies doesn't make me stupid, and it doesn't mean I'm an idiot who simply follows the crowd. Talk to me about the delicious saltiness and the beneficial omega-3 fatty acids of your topping and I'll consider your argument, but matters of taste are personal things and odds are I'll go on enjoying my pepperoni no matter how many other people like it, too. It won't mean I'm dumb, and it certainly won't mean you're smarter or better than me, just as the fact that a lot of other people prefer pepperoni doesn't mean your taste for a less popular topping is wrong.
 


How do you see that working out though? I believe in the Euro zone, the tablets are actually able to be used as phones.
I've not heard of that. Even if true -- and I'd be really stunned if a non-jailbroken iPad could be used as a phone, since the software has no support for it at all -- how does that affect anything? The point is that with the iPhone you could only use one if you subscribed to a carrier that had it; in the US that meant AT&T only. If you were in a Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, or local carrier (Metro PCS, Cricket, etc.) contract, you either had to pay for two contracts or go with whatever phones your carrier actually had. This was especially true if you were a company or a family that had a contract with someone besides AT&T because the switching cost was huge and, commonly, not worth it.

With the iPad it doesn't matter what mobile carrier you have, you can buy an iPad without changing cell plans. Apple specifically set it up so that even if you buy an iPad with cellular data hardware you still don't have to get a contract with a carrier: cell data is a la carte, with the power to buy one month at a time, turning it on and off from within the OS as you wish. If you get the wifi-only version you can tether it to whatever cell phone you want (via wifi), including your Android phone.

in addition, several of the tablets stateside are available with a carrier with a reduced fee with a 2 year contract including the Xoom and the iPad.
That's true of the Xoom but it's not true of the iPad 2: there are no discounts on the hardware for buying a cell contract. The price you pay at Best Buy is the price you pay at the Verizon store is the price you pay at Walmart is the price you pay on Amazon, with only tiny differences. You can buy a postpaid cell data contract from AT&T for the iPad, but it has no effect on the price of the iPad, you just get slightly cheaper data.

Point is you can buy an iPad anywhere and your cell carrier doesn't matter, just like with the iPod. When the iPod came out there were plenty of mp3 players that had better features -- more space, radios, bigger displays, etc. -- and plenty of mp3 players at a better price, yet they went on to take 85% of the market very, very quickly. The two primary reasons -- superior user experience and the iTunes music store -- hold true for the the iPad as well. And this time, unlike with the iPod, Apple actually managed to launch the product almost a full year before any other manufacturers had tablets in the same realm.

Don't forget the Apple Stores, either: the company is extremely good at encouraging you to put your hands on their products while you look around at all of the other people there who are smiling and playing with their products, and they make the purchase incredibly easy: no need to go to a cash register (there are none), a friendly salesperson will take your credit card, swipe it through their iPod Touch, and if you've bought anything from Apple before, email you the receipt while you walk out the door with your new product in hand.

Whether the iPad is the best tablet is a fair issue for debate, but it is by far the best selling and, imo, will remain so for at least the next 2 years. The sales "war" -- at least in the near term -- was won a year ago.
 


If that milimeter thinness or two of thinness doesn't have some personal practical value to an individual, how can it have anything to do with qualifying a product as The Best?

Well, it is the thinnest - the best at being thin!

News flash - humans are not always reasonable, and water is wet!


I believe the market will be very, very similar to the mp3 player market and utterly unlike the smartphone market for one key reason: no carrier bondage. If the iPhone was available on all carriers and in Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. like the iPad is, Android phones wouldn't have done nearly as well, in my opinion.

I dunno. I think the "I don't like Apple" contingent would have been large enough to carry Andriod, even if the iPhone weren't bound, given the similar technical capabilities. It just might have taken a little longer. Remember that the phone companies are trying to get you to switch phones every year or two, which can make for some pretty fast mixing with turnover.
 

I dunno. I think the "I don't like Apple" contingent would have been large enough to carry Andriod, even if the iPhone weren't bound, given the similar technical capabilities. It just might have taken a little longer.
The "I don't like Apple" contingent is very vocal but is a tiny minority of actual consumers, maybe 10% or so. A much higher percentage of whiny net geeks and neckbeards (I'm a card-carrying neckbeard), but Apple doesn't market to them anyway.

I'm not saying that Android wouldn't have sold, I just think the percentage would have been much smaller, mostly to that "don't like Apple" group and to some price-sensitive consumers.
 


If the reports are correct on the first week of sales of the Ipad 2 in the US,
500,000 units sold. In Europe just for the weekend 300,000.
I believe sales would be higher if more untis where available in the US and Europe. I know where I live, every store is sold out.
 

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