Yes. I posted about this trend in another current thread.It's like, only letting one group of people who sat around and thought up cool stuff dictate what cool stuff is everyone else is allowed to think up.
Yes. I posted about this trend in another current thread.It's like, only letting one group of people who sat around and thought up cool stuff dictate what cool stuff is everyone else is allowed to think up.
Because back when they were introduced, they didn't have the internet to tell them they were doing it wrong?I'm still left curious as to how something like Warforged and Tieflings can't be in D&D, but crashed spaceships, gelatinous cubes, Remo Williams monks, baby balrogs as PCs, and mechanical robot submarines can be.![]()
I know I don't get to decide things for the hobby, but I do at my table, and the only thing I see there that has a moderte chance of seeing play is a tiefling. But, yeah, those things are definitely part of D&D, as long as you count every adventure module, setting, and homebrew that's ever been used.I'm still left curious as to how something like Warforged and Tieflings can't be in D&D, but crashed spaceships, gelatinous cubes, Remo Williams monks, baby balrogs as PCs, and mechanical robot submarines can be.![]()
Crashed spaceships? Take or leave as a one-time diversion, depends on the campaign.I'm still left curious as to how something like Warforged and Tieflings can't be in D&D, but crashed spaceships, gelatinous cubes, Remo Williams monks, baby balrogs as PCs, and mechanical robot submarines can be.![]()
Which are all perfectly fine choices to make at your table. I was more or less adddressing the "40-year tradition" comments which seem to imply that D&D has always been about a fairly straight-laced Tolkien/high-fantasy universe when the early days were basically the opposite.Crashed spaceships? Take or leave as a one-time diversion, depends on the campaign.
Gelatinous cubes? Part of the game, along with a bunch of other whimsical critters.
Remo Williams? Who's he?
Baby balrogs as PCs? Where'd that one come from? No thanks.
Mechanical robot submarines? Same category as the spaceships, campaign-dependent as a one-time diversion.
Mechanical robot PCs? No thanks.
Part-demons as a kindred race? No thanks.
Lan-"there's stranger creatures in D&D than gelatinous cubes, many of which are just as traditional"-efan
What sort of munchkin would play a gunfighting paladin? Oh, that's right, one of the founders of the game! (Don Kaye, according to Canonfire.)I missed: Old West, sixgun-toting Paladin ascended to deity status (which is Murlynd from Greyhawk).
Oh, and I missed: Old West, sixgun-toting Paladin ascended to deity status (which is Murlynd from Greyhawk).
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What sort of munchkin would play a gunfighting paladin? Oh, that's right, one of the founders of the game! (Don Kaye, according to Canonfire.)
And what sort of spineless GM would permit such a PC? Oh yeah, Gary Gygax in his original Greyhawk campaign.
Again, simplicity. Call the Vancian class "Magic User", call the spell-point class "Wizard", call the spontaneous caster "Sorcerer". Three classes, three mechanics, one for each.
I just want to take a moment to say that I'm so glad I don't play with these people. We had this exact situation come up in our last Pathfinder game and it was handled basically like this:So what we will have in your scenario is a whole heap of people who say "I want to play a Wizard!" but then follow it up with "I want to use spontaneous casting because the other spellcasting methods suck!" And if you tell them "Well, play a Sorcerer!", they'll return with "No, I want to be a Wizard! I want to be a technician-like spellcaster. I want a spellbook and find spells to add to it, and memorize spells and the whole nine yards!" And then you'd ask them why aren't they playing a Magic-User, since the Vancian casting system has traditionally been used to represent that? And they'll respond with "I don't WANT to use Vancian casting! I want to play a Wizard, and I want to use spontaneous casting!"
If WotC wants to appease the whiners, that's on them. For my part, I probably wouldn't buy any 5th Edition. I'll save my money for games that aren't transparently focused on attracting people I don't want to play with.
Cheers!
Kinak