TSR TSR3.5 Voluntarily Dismisses Lawsuit

Umbran · Dec 12, 2021

Sir Brennen said:
This is something not clear to me. How can you produce proof that something doesn’t exist?

Testimony or documentation from the original artist that made their intent to approve the use of their art only in a very specific way, limiting original TSR's rights, would serve, I imagine.

Umbran · Dec 12, 2021

Mort said:
I suspect you're giving them way too much credit!

If I said I expected something specific, I would be giving them credit. I did no such thing, however, so no, I am not.

Mort · Dec 12, 2021

LordEntrails said:
Whichever firm will need to be licensed to practice law in Washington State. My understanding is that the right to practice law is controlled by each state.

This matter is in federal court, so no you DO NOT have to be licensed in the state of Washington. You need to have applied and been granted permission to practice before the 9th circuit.

North Carolina is in the 4th Circuit so TSRs current attorneys probably have not done so. But they can do so and there is also a procedure to be given permission to argue a case there even if you haven't formally applied.

That said, while federal law is TECHNICALLY the same among the circuits, precedent is not, procedures are different and little stuff matters. It is HIGHLY advised to get an attorney well versed in the circuit court you you are filing in, who practices there day in day out.

Which, likely, means TSR3 will use the same attorneys who filed the current masterful complaint and who probably have never been inside a 9th circuit court room.

Seramus · Dec 13, 2021

Umbran said:
People on the internet should not be making diagnoses of mental health issues.

Scooping the moon out of the ocean one handful at a time.

Steampunkette · Dec 13, 2021

LordEntrails said:
Which all of could have been due to sloppy writing. It's probably not fair to assume motive with such limited knowledge of the details. The names could have been typo'd or a dozen other ways for such t come into play.

...s and g are 2 spaces apart on the keyboard. Also before and after the S, V, or G is an A, which means his ring finger is in the right place to hit the A key all six times... But instead of using his middle finger to press S he accidentally reached over and -down- with his index finger to type G once... As to the V, it's on the opposite side of the keyboard from N on the wrong side of B.

I'm not buying it. A typo is when you input a letter right next to what you intended, or you slip off the homerow for a second. Or you're thinking faster than you're typing. Or you skip punctuation.

A typo doesn't include bending your hand down to hit a key with a different finger than the one you'd use to hit the key you intended to hit. Or somehow using the wrong hand with the same coordination to hit a key on the wrong side of the keyboard.

The fact that he also included his middle initial in one of the two "Justin Lanasa" payments, and then the Lavasa one? Yeeeeah...

This is the dude's NAME he's misspelling. No Typo in "Justin", but Lanasa gets 3? Pffft.

see · Dec 13, 2021

Staffan said:
But then I remembered that there was a period of about 3-4 years when Wizards overreacted to the 4e PHB2 being pirated by stopping all legal PDF sales. I don't know if that's long enough to constitute abandonment though.

When abandonment kicks in is a judgment call, but proof of nonuse for three consecutive years is considered prima facie evidence of abandonment under federal law.

The second important fact is that TSR2 also registered and used the mark, and Hasbro/WotC apparently never disputed that use.

The third is that when Hasbro/WotC resumed use, TSR2, despite having registered the mark, apparently never disputed the Hasbro/WotC use.

So, anyway. If I understand trademark law correctly (IANAL, so my reading might well be skewed), there isn't any way TSR3 can win a declaration that they actually own the "TSR" mark, despite that being what they filed for the first time around. (Picking up a dropped registration just doesn't do that if someone else is using the mark in commerce; you can't seize exclusive control over an in-use-by-someone-else mark simply by registering it. And Hasbro/WotC was definitely using it for old product PDFs and POD in 2020.)

But, it is possible that "TSR" the letters, as a mark for games, is no longer subject to trademark protection at all. The period of non-use, and the mutual non-enforcement between TSR2 and Hasbro/WotC, serve as evidence that it's no longer a trademark. In which case, anyone who wants to can freely slap the letters "TSR" on their games.

darjr · Dec 13, 2021

yea. That's the really dumb part. There was a company ALREADY using the letters TSR without much issue. Then Ernie, a friend of the 2TSR folks, with Lasangna, swiped the registration out from under them for TSR3 and then had the GALL to demand a license from tsr2.

If they had just done that bit of crappyness and just used TSR like TSR2 did they'd probably be grifting people and not be in the the middle of this self inflicted forced error.

darjr · Dec 13, 2021

Actually it's only ONE of the MANY really dumb parts.

Faolyn · Dec 13, 2021

Steampunkette said:
...s and g are 2 spaces apart on the keyboard. Also before and after the S, V, or G is an A, which means his ring finger is in the right place to hit the A key all six times... But instead of using his middle finger to press S he accidentally reached over and -down- with his index finger to type G once... As to the V, it's on the opposite side of the keyboard from N on the wrong side of B.

I'll say that I make the stupidest typos a lot. Like, the other day I tried to write bardic but ended up writing bandage instead, because my mother had been talking about needing to buy more bandaids a moment before and my ears decided to bypass my brain at that moment and go right to my fingers. Hey, they both start with ba, right? I've also "misspelled" my own last name a couple of times when I've typed so fast that I haven't fully pushed a key and miss a letter or two from the middle of the name.

That being said, it's clear that in this case, LaNasa was either trying to get around a donor limit or really thought that other people would think that he had different people giving him money. Probably the former, since I have a hard time imagining that he really thought Lavasa and Lanaga, or using his middle initial once, would fool people into thinking they were different people.

The only thing I can't figure out is why he went for such poorly disguised names and didn't just come up with entirely different names. Guys a gamer, right? He should be able to come up with names.