[TV] Doctor Who

[Mouseferatu]

What I find interesting is the River Song bit at the end. "But beware - it all changes now." I reckon we're going to see an adversarial relationship between them. I bet when they first meet, they're enemies, and will be for some time. But he'll remember her future then, and she won't (instead of the other way round) because we're moving earlier in her life and later in his.

Oh, absolutely. (Or, well, as "absolutely" as any guesses can be regarding Moffat's plans.) I'm interested to see how they can make her a believable villain, yet still keep her sympathetic enough that it'll be believable for the Doctor to later go through all the trouble to keep her mind alive at the end of the "Silence in the Library" two-parter.

And I still believe that the "great man" she kills won't be the Doctor; way too obvious.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Oh, and I think "Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue" was a perfect description of the TARDIS! Brilliant!

Yep. George (the wife) and I were talking about that immediately afterward. I'm convinced that has to be one of those revelations that one has, and then simply holds it in reserve waiting for the right time to use it. (IOW, I'm willing to bet that Moffat realized the description was apt long before he wrote this episode. It's the sort of observation that one holds onto.)

 

[Morrus]

Yep. George (the wife) and I were talking about that immediately afterward. I'm convinced that has to be one of those revelations that one has, and then simply holds it in reserve waiting for the right time to use it. (IOW, I'm willing to bet that Moffat realized the description was apt long before he wrote this episode. It's the sort of observation that one holds onto.)

Yep, probably.

I loved the way he pretty much described it as that to the 7-year old Amy. He didn't say "SOSBSBSB" but he described it as ancient, stolen, brand new, and very blue; and then, of course, told Amy in the forest on the Byzantium that it was important that she remember that. And that's what brought him back. It was very well done!

And the Jacket theory was proved correct! Two Doctors? Oh, yes!

 

[lin_fusan]

There is one thing I will say about Moffat and this series/season: he does deliberately choose ideas, images, and plot threads with care. It may or may not work in whomever's opinion, but I don't get the same "throw the kitchen sink" feeling I get with Russell T Davies.

Overall, I liked this year's series. I like Matt Smith, Karen Gillian, and Arthur Darvill. This series didn't have awesomely standout episodes like previous series, but I think it might be because Moffat planned his awesomeness to be threaded throughout all 13 episodes, which might dilute his impact.

I hope the next series will prove that Moffat and his team are only warming up!

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Oh, and I think "Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue" was a perfect description of the TARDIS! Brilliant!

So, have you already found an old police box for the coming August?

 

[elawai]

Glastonbury - Matt Smith/Orbital

YouTube - Matt Smith & Orbital - Glastonbury 2010

For those that are interested, youtube video of Matt Smith with the band Orbital at the Glastonbury Festival 2010 - Doctor Who Theme

 

[Gog]

For no particular reason and with no hint from anywhere I am convinced that Amy Pond = River Song. Yeah I know it makes no sense but it got into my head and I can't shake it.

Obviously there would need to be something else going on for that to be true, maybe she's a Time Lord that somehow got left behind.

 

[Mouseferatu]

So on the one hand, River being a Time Lord is one way for certain details to make sense--the fact that she seemed to remember Amy and the Doctor at the wedding; the fact that the Doctor made some convoluted efforts to keep her alive in Silence in the Library (despite her presumed villainous past).

But I really, really hope she isn't. After the whole storyline with the Master, it'd really feel like a bit of "been there, done that" if River was also a TL. Plus, it'd reduce the whole impact of the Master having been the last TL besides the Doctor.

And I'd also just like to see something more unexpected.

 

[Morrus]

So on the one hand, River being a Time Lord is one way for certain details to make sense--the fact that she seemed to remember Amy and the Doctor at the wedding; the fact that the Doctor made some convoluted efforts to keep her alive in Silence in the Library (despite her presumed villainous past).

But I really, really hope she isn't. After the whole storyline with the Master, it'd really feel like a bit of "been there, done that" if River was also a TL. Plus, it'd reduce the whole impact of the Master having been the last TL besides the Doctor.

And I'd also just like to see something more unexpected.

Plus she died. She didn't regenerate.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Plus she died. She didn't regenerate.

Yeah, I meant to mention that.

I mean, there are ways to explain it, but I'm hoping it does, indeed, suggest that she's not a TL.

 

[Herschel]

I highly doubt she's a time lord. I also had the momentary inkling she was Amy, but dismissed it outright as silly. I absolutely love the character though and was extremely happy Moffat brought her "back". If she stays as a character for too many more years though, at some point they may have to reboot to her younger years with a new actress.

I hope at least not for a while though, Alex Kingston is smokin' and hella cool.

 

[Herschel]

And the scene with the fez was brilliant.

 

[Doug McCrae]

Alex Kingston is smokin'

Yeah, hard to believe she's 47. She looks at least ten years younger.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

And the scene with the fez was brilliant.

I think it's safe to say that a fez is NOT cool.

Bowties, however, are still cool.

 

[Mallus]

The fez was cool.

And the finale was pure television, no, make that storytelling, magic.

 

[Krug]

Finally caught up with the season. Quite a wild, fun ride.

Love the fez but would get tired of it if it was around too long.

 

[Silverblade The Ench]

[sblock="Spoilery stuff"]
River Song seems to be the Doc's wife/SO at some point, she knows his real name!
Maybe Amy is his daughter..,
HE said if you remember hard enough they can come back, well if River is his wife....
[/spoiler]

 

[nerfherder]

Yeah, hard to believe she's 47. She looks at least ten years younger.

I remember thinking she was smokin' in Moll Flanders, before she did ER.

Checking IMDB, she was in a couple of episodes of Grange Hill when she was 17!

 

[SolitonMan]

I LOVED THIS EPISODE. It was less a Doctor Who story and more of a tribute to a man unappreciated in his lifetime, only for him to realize (through the miracle of time travel ) how great his legacy would be. My eyes welled up at the scene in the museum. Tony Curran was excellent as Van Gogh. And Matt Smith continues to show that remarkable gift for physical comedy. Neat.

+1

Here in central Pennsylvania, I watch the eps on BBCA, so I only just caught this one this past Saturday (June 27th). The Lodger isn't coming up until July 10th, so I suppose the season is a foregone conclusion for most of you lot, eh?

Really enjoyed Vincent and the Doctor, everyone gave a great performance, especially Tony Curran and Bill Nighy. I thought Dr. Black's speech about how he thinks Van Gogh is the greatest artist ever was awesome, and his facial expressions as he's thinking "did I just meet Vincent Van Gogh? - no, couldn't be!" were terrific. For me this ep ranks with Blink as one of the best stand alone episodes of the new series.

I'd love to ask opinions on the finale (assuming it's aired by now) but I want to avoid spoilers, so I'll come back and check in again at the end of July.

 

[talwynor]

SPOILERS BELOW

Couldn't stand that it was at least another 2 weeks til we saw the finale here after reading this thread so I caved and downloaded the last 2 episodes.


Count me among those believing Amy is River. I know it seems like a red herring, BUT

She is given the screwdriver and the spoliers book and I can see an older "pond" changing her name to "river" as she gets older. That, plus the doctor asking if she is married (which, yes I know, makes it too obvious, but still). I haven't even mentioned the red hair (love the red hair). SO - either Amy becomes River at some point, or, as someone mentioned earlier - they are related.

Regardless - loved the season and the season finale.