Ulimate Monk Armor....?

[Scion]

Assuming this includes spell effects, I can see this is a real cost possibly worth the 30% cost reduction.

When making the item I specifically made sure that this was the case. I believe it is the last line of the item

 

[ThirdWizard]

+12 Armor bonus is better than +12 mixed boni because with that pure Armor bonus it is easy to raise your AC another +10-15. With the +12 mixed boni you are hard pressed to even get a +2 or +3 out of it. This means that you have a much higher possible AC with the pure Armor bonus, making it the much better choice.

 

[dcollins]

Yep... <bunch of stuff>... Full Plate +4...

I repeat: An item usable by a monk that gives +12 AC?
- One item.
- Usable by a monk.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I repeat: An item usable by a monk that gives +12 AC?
- One item.
- Usable by a monk.

*I* repeat.

It's NOT +12 to AC, useable by a monk.

It's +4 to AC useable by a Monk, +2 to AC useable by a Monk, +2 to AC useable by a Monk, etc., mashed into one item.

It is, therefore and by necessity, LESS powerful than a single source of +12 to AC, useable by a Monk.

 

[dcollins]

It's NOT +12 to AC, useable by a monk.

I reject your patent falsehood.

 

[Staffan]

I repeat: An item usable by a monk that gives +12 AC?
- One item.
- Usable by a monk.

He has a point, man. The robe does have the disadvantage that you can't benefit much more from other AC increases. That's why the bonus costs are squared in the first place - to make many small bonuses easier to get than one big bonus. As long as the 50% surcharge for putting multiple abilities into one item is paid, I don't see any reason to cost the item as a +12 item.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I reject your patent falsehood.

I reject [flowers].

If he wanted a Robe of Armor, which granted a +12 FORCE EFFECT ARMOR BONUS to AC in a single slot, then yes, the appropriate item to compare it to would be Bracers of Armor +12 (which also grant a +12 FORCE EFFECT ARMOR BONUS to AC, at the cost of a single slot).

However, he isn't looking for a +12 Armor Bonus to AC etc. He's looking for a +4 Armor bonus to AC and a +2 Deflection bonus to AC and ... etc.

You haven't grasped this point yet, and I doubt you will at this juncture, but there it is.

As has been mentioned many, many times, he can get all of these bonuses on multiple, independent items without hitting an "Epic" threshhold.

The question then should be, "How much does it cost to take a Ring of Protection +2" and add it to "Bracers of Armor +4"?

The non-Epic rules provide the following guideline: take the cost of the most expensive property, and add 1.5x the cost of all other properties, and then compare it to another item.

I maintain that a far more reasonable item to compare it to is Full Plate +4 - at a cost of 17,650 GP.

Notice that the price of the Monk equipment is 73,000 GP. For a roughly-equivalent benefit (+12 to AC in most situations), it is four times as expensive as the Full Plate, and in line with the cost of Full Plate +9 (roughly 82k GP) - say, the previously mentioned Full Plate +4 that also had the bonus of Fortification (100%).

You can go on and on about Epic Bracers of Armor as much as you want, but there is a quantifiable reason that no one else agrees with you that this robe is an Epic magic item.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I reject your Mom.

Can we keep things civil? You know, I've heard Hypersmurf takes a bat to people who get out of hand around here.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Can we keep things civil?

Eh? I'm being civil. I even provided reasons for my disagreement.

EDIT:

And is it a dire bat? And can it cause the Nauseated condition in a construct?

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Eh? I'm being civil. I even provided reasons for my disagreement.

"I reject your Mom" is not what I'd call civil.

And is it a dire bat? And can it cause the Nauseated condition in a construct?

HA.