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D&D 5E What do we hope to see in the DMG?

shadow

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A lot of speculation and rumors have been going around on account of the those who have received a copy of the MM at GenCon. But, I'm curious about what we can expect to see in the completed DMG. I've heard that we will see alternatives to Vancian spell casting as well as write ups for the Warforged and Kender as examples of campaign specific races. Other than that the contents of the DMG are a mystery so far. I don't know what to expect, but I hope to see rules for building unique campaign words that vary from the default assumptions of D&D. I hope to see rules for creating campaigns that have higher technology than the default (i.e. renaissance and steampunk settings). I hope to see rules for adding monsters as PC races. I hope to see rules for running low magic campaigns where PCs survive on their wits, not their magic treasure. Those are my wishes for a great DMG. What do you expect to see?
 

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Rules for running the game obviously. This includes building encounters, awarding treasure, magic items, and the like.

Rules for custom content, such as the math and advice for making monsters, subclasses, backgrounds, races and magic items.

Rules for customizing the game. New races (kalashtar, draconians, warforged, goblins, orcs, shifters, and goliaths would be nice). Faster/slower advancement. Adjusting the cosmology. Some worldbuilding. Adjusting the length of short rests. Different point buy. Bonus feats.

A metric s**ttonne of optional rules: fear, madness, guns, alignment, point-based spellcaster, power-based spellcasting, hirelings, mass combat, variant skills, tactical combat, etc.
 

keterys

First Post
There are a few things I suspect are givens, like diseases, traps, and magic items, but as much as possible I want it to be like the 3e Unearthed Arcana. A big book full of plug and play rules options would change it from a "Eh, someone should get this book, I'm in no hurry" to "I want this now. Shiny!"
 

Li Shenron

Legend
I am not so interested in alternate rules as much as I am in additional rules.

High on my list are the rules for running mid-large groups of monsters (different from mass combat rules), chase rules, turn-based exploration rules (updated from the playtest), and possibly any other additional stuff related to the non-combat phases of the game.
 

shadow

First Post
Jester Canuck said:
A metric s**ttonne of optional rules: fear, madness, guns, alignment, point-based spellcaster, power-based spellcasting, hirelings, mass combat, variant skills, tactical combat, etc.

The list pretty much summarizes what I want to see. I especially would like to see rules for fear and madness to help me run a Ravenloft game. However, I hope that they would be handled well. I've seen too may poorly written sanity rules.
 
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pming

Hero
Hiya.

This one's easy! Everything in the 1e DMG. :) Plus some of the stuff from the Hackmaster 4e GMG (drinking rules, some form of robust critical & fumble system, maybe one or two other things I'm forgetting). Some stuff from the 1e DSG and WSG (Dungeoneers and Wilderness Survival Guides), like the info for climbing stuff, swimming/sinking, simple weather stuff, and some general info/suggestions about making actual terrain/location a "foe" (I actually REALLY like how 3rd Edition Gamma World handled this; terrains had Intensity scores and special results of failed 'checks'....it made it an actual decision between "Do we travel through the woods....or take the short cut over the grasslands?", in stead of a simple "Which one is faster?").

Now, what I don't want to see....I don't want to actually see a lot of "hard-coded" stuff if it is at all avoidable. What I mean is, I'd be find with a 1e style DMG section on using monster races as PC's, with the benefits and drawbacks of allowing this stuff into your game....but I don't want to see a 3e "template" thing for it where there are lots of numeric fiddly bits, exceptions to the rules that "overrule" other core rules, or use of "optional" rules as 'no-longer-optional'.

Basically I want what's in the name, Guide. I want Guidelines...not tonnes of "absolute rules". Now, there will be some absolute rules, there has to be a base after all. This is fine...as long as the majority is in the form of guidelines. "The D&D 5e system makes the assumption that....[blablabla]...but you, as DM, are ultimately responsible for your own game". <-- GOOD. "This is the rule, use it". <-- BAD. :)

^_^

Paul L. Ming
 

Greg K

Adventurer
Off the top of my head:

1. Con Score to hit points at first level instead of Con modifier per level
2. Slower leveling
3. 3e skill Points
4. Class building/Tailoring tools- especially, for
a. recreating 2e Priests of Specific with armor, hit die, and spell lists tailored to deity domains
b. Replacing class abilities (e.g., replacing Cleric Turn/Destroy Undead with appropriate domain abilities, replacing the Barbarian Con Bonus to AC with DR, replacing Ranger spellcasting, removing/altering Armor and weapon proficiencies for other features )
c. incorporating 2e (Complete Fighter/PO:Combat and Tactics)/3e (Unearthed Arcana) weapon groups instead of Martial/Simple weapons
d. altering spell lists

5. Replacements for Spell Hit Point Thresholds
6. Alternate multi-classing rules
7. Guidelines for less broad domains
8. Guidelines for adding more skills
Edit: 9. Alternate Spellcasting methods

As was mentioned by someone else above, I want it to be Unearthed Arcana for 5e (then again, it was the 3e DMG variants and Unearthed Arcana variants that made me embrace 3e).
 
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Options, lots of options.

Ideally, amongst other thing, something along the lines of 3e's "Unearthed Arcana" or, even better, the third chapter in Pathfinder's "Ultimate Campaign" - campaign modules you can use to season the game to taste.

If "Orc & Pie" is the default mode of D&D gameplay, I want a wide variety of choices for side dishes. :)
 


Quickleaf

Legend
I am not so interested in alternate rules as much as I am in additional rules.

High on my list are the rules for running mid-large groups of monsters (different from mass combat rules), chase rules, turn-based exploration rules (updated from the playtest), and possibly any other additional stuff related to the non-combat phases of the game.

That list looks good to me. Domain management would be a good are of non-combat rules to explore.
 


I'm hoping for...

  • a collection of damage recovery modifications
  • City population generation system (i've loved them since I encountered Rolemaster's), but with suggestions on how to tweak it.
  • Random dungeon generation
Anything else is just gratis.
 

Evenglare

Adventurer
I hope it includes most of what is found in pathfinder's ultimate campaign book. Infact the future of me running 5e depends on this, pathfinder has everything I could ever want for a million years of playing, ultimate campaign blew up the scope of pathfinder so much it's hard to even comprehend, so if 5e does it better then i'll be one happy camper.
 

wedgeski

First Post
I think a few people are setting themselves up for disappointment...unless the DMG is a 400-page behemoth!

I want to see solid battle-mat combat options that can be freely mixed-and-matched with the existing totm combat described in the PHB, so that the only time the battle-mat needs to come out is for major opponents or more sophisticated environments.

I would like to see the 5E designers' take on skill challenges. Not a re-tread of 4E's arguably difficult rules, but a framework for complex, multi-action group problem solving. (To be fair it's about five minutes' work to conjure something up already, but I'd still like to hear a few ideas from the pro's.)

Like [MENTION=1465]Li Shenron[/MENTION], I want to see alternative ways to run large combats without a grid: swarms, the equivalent of 4E's minions, that kind of thing.

Monster building rules are an absolute must. I'm surprised they weren't an Appendix in the MM actually (they weren't, right?).

I *don't* want too many pages given over to alternative campaign settings or their races. Seriously, what justice can be done to them in a few pages? But, I can see the value in continued integration of D&D's many worlds into the DMG, as it was in the PHB.

I *don't* want alternate spell systems. That would just make the DMG a splat book by another name.
 

sgtscott658

First Post
I do hope that WoTC includes an option for DM's to veto platemail wearing Wizards IE a player takes a couple of levels of fighter then multi-classes into Wizard, now that Wizard can wear heavy armor and cast spells. Look at the bottom of page 201 casting spells in Armor, if you are proficient in the use of armor you can cast spells without penalty. In 3E there was a chance of spell spell failure, in 1E even if you had levels of fighter, casting armor was a no go. Of course in my campaign, it is still a no go to wear armor as a wizard even if you are proficient in the use of armor.

I also hope the DMG gives more choices for skill's and customization for the PHB classes because in the PHB, the freedom to choose is seriously lacking.

Scott
 

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