Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

[Maxperson]

They definitely have to shorten it, at the very least.

I mention it mostly because it’s one of the few long storylines that takes a significant amount of space but which isn’t “necessary”.

I use quotes because they could alter just about anything to make it less required for later events. But that one doesn’t even really need to be altered all that much. It can just be removed, and all the bits with the girls and Moghedien and all that can just take place as part of other storylines.

It’s just (to my mind) a significant amount of time that can be removed without much impact, and it’d save space for more vital things that ai don’t want to see shortened.

Yeah. My feeling is that it's important to show the Dark One's influence growing stronger(the weather) and then that he isn't all powerful and can be overcome(use of the bowl). I think those are important plot points, but as @Parmandur said, it could be reduced to a single episode, or multiple episodes of the weather growing worse in the background of those episode stories and a single episode of learning about, finding and using the bowl.

 

[Parmandur]

Yeah. My feeling is that it's important to show the Dark One's influence growing stronger(the weather) and then that he isn't all powerful and can be overcome(use of the bowl). I think those are important plot points, but as @Parmandur said, it could be reduced to a single episode, or multiple episodes of the weather growing worse in the background of those episode stories and a single episode of learning about, finding and using the bowl.

I have a lot of confidence that books 6-10 can be shortened considerably without sacrificing anything super-important to the overall arce of the series, even though I enjoyed them considerably.

 

[hawkeyefan]

I remember the use of the bowl and the cleansing to be somewhat similar. Am I misremembering?

 

[Parmandur]

I remember the use of the bowl and the cleansing to be somewhat similar. Am I misremembering?

If by "similar" you mean the direct inspiration for Nyneave's plan for the Cleansing? Then sure.

 

[Parmandur]

My perspective is that there aren't many expendable plot points, but the plot lines between them can easily be made more direct.

 

[hawkeyefan]

If by "similar" you mean the direct inspiration for Nyneave's plan for the Cleansing? Then sure.

Partially, yes. But like redundant to an extent. That they're similar enough events to be a bit repetitive. Some of the climaxes in the books suffer from that a bit.

 

[Parmandur]

Partially, yes. But like redundant to an extent. That they're similar enough events to be a bit repetitive. Some of the climaxes in the books suffer from that a bit.

Not that similar, no: I think that it can be truncated, but elimination would be more difficult.

 

[Zaukrie]

To be fair. The thread does state that it contains spoilers. There’s another thread for non-spoilerific content if you haven’t read the books and don’t want to discuss how the show relates to the source material.

Spoilers about the show, what's been in the show, is totally different. But. Whatever. I'm out. I'd like to discuss the show.

 

[Parmandur]

Spoilers about the show, what's been in the show, is totally different. But. Whatever. I'm out. I'd like to discuss the show.

Yeah, sorry about, that genie got out of the bottle pretty early on. Maybe the thread title should be adjusted to "book spoilers"?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I have seen Agatha Christie adaptations where they have changed the murderer, just to keep people who know the book guessing. Maybe they will do that here?