Where are the rapiers?

[Celebrim]

In pre-3E, the iconic thief cerntainly wasn't wielding a rapier. The old swashbuckler kit from 2E was from the fighter handbook while the 3E prestige class (the iconic rapier wielding archtype) always assumed you were coming from the rogue-class.

Swashbuckler, Complete Theives Handbook, page 41.

 

[AllisterH]

Swashbuckler, Complete Theives Handbook, page 41.

*Blinks*, well I'm be damned.

I could've sworn it was from Complete Fighter's. Was it the buccaneer/pirate kit that was in the fighter or was that also in complete thief?

 

[Ruin Explorer]

*Blinks*, well I'm be damned.

I could've sworn it was from Complete Fighter's. Was it the buccaneer/pirate kit that was in the fighter or was that also in complete thief?

I'm pretty sure that was also in Thief's, though I could be mistaken.

 

[Celebrim]

*Blinks*, well I'm be damned.

I could've sworn it was from Complete Fighter's. Was it the buccaneer/pirate kit that was in the fighter or was that also in complete thief?

There is also one named 'Swashbuckler' in The Complete Fighter's Handbook.

Pirate is I think in TCFH. Buccaneer is in TCTH.

 

[Cam Banks]

Actually, I think this implied statement was exactly what he was referencing. Rapiers evolved in part because of plate armor. Blades got thinner and adapted for piercing, rather than slashing, in order to slip past increasingly heavy armor.

There are a lot of people who think that the field plate or gothic plate armor that covers a knight from head to toe was around much earlier than it was. By the time this sort of thing was being crafted, they already had basic firearms in the form of arquebuses.

The classic knight in history, indeed the classic warrior of any kind, was a guy in chain. Chainmail was around for over a thousand years, if I recall correctly, and it was certainly the kind of thing worn during the Crusades.

Knights in shining armor a la Camelot are an exercise in creative anachronism by much later periods of European literature.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Klaus]

*Blinks*, well I'm be damned.

I could've sworn it was from Complete Fighter's. Was it the buccaneer/pirate kit that was in the fighter or was that also in complete thief?

They were in both. Several kits got repeated, like Peasant Hero and whatnot.

 

[heirodule]

Rapiers are on the DDI screenshots, as "Superior Weapons"

from here

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So are Katanas

Not sure if thats better or worse than "military weapons"

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[Raduin711]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20080104

There ARE weapon categories.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

While most of those "Specialized Weapons" make sense I am confused about why a short-sword be in that list.

 

[Wormwood]

Not sure if thats better or worse than "military weapons"

Eh, Katanas are fine.

On the other hand, that glaive? That's pretty effin' METAL.

I definitely approve.